Leo Gura

I'm not saying the opposite. I told you that value is one lens and that you don't wanna get stuck looking at things from only one lens. Generally speaking if a girl has more value you will need more value to attract and keep her. This is true, but it's just one general factor. Don't get fixated on it. That's nice of you to say, but I have data on how much sexual attention I get from girls vs other guys. This isn't a subjective matter. Just cause you like me doesn't change that. Girls prefer some guys over others. I am not gonna bullshit myself about that.

But few countries are willing to invade their neighbor. That is the real issue. The thing that Putin is in denial about is that Ukrainians might genuinely want to side with the West rather than follow Russia. Putin believes that Ukraine could only want to be Western due to CIA manipulation, when in fact they simply don't want a Russian style authoritarian state. This is where Putin is most fooling himself. Why would Ukraine want to be like Russia when they could be like Germany instead? Doesn't take a genius to make that choice. Russia does not model a desirable system of governance. But of course Putin is too self-biased to see that.

Truth is an acquired taste.

Obviously there are benefits to having a good woman. So what? Too obvious to mention. There's also a bunch of downsides.

Focus on what you want, not what you don't want. Do you want a quality gf? Then go find her. Forget your lame ass friends. Very important that you drop that. Stop carring if any girl rejects you. Means zero. Don't even think about it. Think about something else instead. Okay. At least for now. It depends. Sometimes it is helpful to have a deluded positive opinion of yourself. But in the long-term you should strive for accuracy over hope and cope. You can always just genuinely ask yourself: How can I make my perception of myself more accurate and realistic?

Our discussion was about suffering relative to this lifetime.

Your points would be stronger if you used less harsh rhetoric. RFK is a thoughtful and authentic guy, even if you disagree with him. He has some refeshing and powerful critiques of corporatism.

In a sense you could say spirituality gives you better control because you are less fooled by self-deceptive thoughts and emotions and you are less egotistical and reactive. You also build better habits in the process and your mind matures and develops which meana you create less drama and problems for yourself. This is false. That's a nice spiritual fantasy.

Your perception of yourself needs to be grounded. Too much fantasy of how great you are will eventually lead to problems if you can't live up to it. I know my looks aren't great, but this does my reduce how I value myself to myself. From the perspective of girls I know it hurts me, but I don't send time worrying about empty things. The perceptions of others need to be considered occassionally, but not preoccupied with. Your focus should be on girls who respond well to you. Those who dislike you, just skip over them. You don't try to please or chase them. There many factors at play: looks, charisma, extroversion, game, money, populariry, low standards, luck, etc. Without who? Ask your questions more clearly if you want good answers.

Be careful bullshitting yourself with spiritual pleasantries.

By fairness we mean relative differences in human capabilities and circumstances. We are not talking from an absolute level here. If you are born crippled while some else is not, that counts a unfairness. Yes, life is full of dualities. You were born a man and not a woman. You were born a human and not a kangaroo. And so on.

@Ishanga You've got spirituality backwards. You don't gain control, you lose control. The illusion of control. You will never control your health. And the transcendence of suffering, if it is possible, is such a rare feat that very very few will achieve it. The point of spirituality is the joy of being conscious for its own sake. Not to win prizes.

@zazen RFK makes some good points. But I somehow doubt that Putin would not have taken chunks of Ukraine regardless. After all, according to Putin, historically Ukraine is not a thing. Fundamentally Putin does not recognize that Ukraine has soverignty. Are we really supposed to believe the US forced him into this view? What would RFK do if Putin tried to grab Ukraine anyway? Just give it to him?

Of course life is unfair. Some children are born crippled. It's better to face that head-on rather than living in a fantasy. This is all part of the process of accepting the truth of what you are. You are who you are. Not a fantasy of who'd wish you were. Accept yourself FULLY, this is key. And while you're at it, accept that women are how they are and men are how they are, not how you wish they were. There is way too much fantasy when it comes to dating. That's what this whole thread is about. Fantasies getting crushed by the weight of reality.

A warning for you men: Do not get fixated on this value stuff. Don't let it be your only lens for seeing dating and relationships. That would be foolishly reductionistic and dysfunctional. Don't make a Red Pill out of this. Be careful with how your mind frames these issues. Value is only one perspective. There are other perspectives. Do not go around analyzing women in terms of numerical value. This will create huge problems for you. I do not endorse such thinking. Seeing women as numbers is very fucking dysfunctional.

@Princess Arabia Fair enough.

Sure. I know for a fact my looks are not what most girls like. But that's what I got to work with. At some point it's not an active insecurity but just an acceptance of reality. But it can take a long time to get there. If I'm in a club I'm not thinking at all about that kind of stuff. I turn off my logical mind and just try to have fun. Of course I know that many girls rejected me simply for my looks. But the more you think about that the worse your results will be.

Look, value is extremely subjective. You may be low value in the eyes of 50 girls but high value in the eyes of 2 girls. And that can be enough. Those 2 can be your wives. I am not physically high value. I have other kinds of high value for the right girls. Just do the best you can and stop worrying about it.

Yes. I did that. Of course that doesn't mean you'll be swimming in girls. Yes. Some women. Remember, there are thousands of women and only some need to love you. If all you want is 1 girl, it's easy. If you want dozens of girls, that's much harder.

1) This thread is about attraction. 2) You won't have a good relationship if the value disparity is too high. One of you will feel bad about it. Of course these are generalizations. Nothing is stopping you from creating a relationship if you want. My guess is it's a bit more than that. Yes. You're a weirdo. You understand that a guy has to get hard to have sex with a girl? If he doesn't find her hot he won't even get hard. You girls seem to not understand this. You assume it's just a given. But it's only a given if he finds you hot. I've been with some girls where I lost my hard-on because she wasn't hot enough. What I am supposed do? How would you feel if your man didn't get hard for you? Would you fall in love with him? No. And this is not something a man can fake for long. A hot girl doesn't even understand what it's like to not be hot. If she got a taste of that it would crush her. You have a fixation with me. You are lucky I'm not actually a cult leader or I would abuse that. It's more than that. Many countries are below replacement birthrate. You'd be surprised. It's not as easy as girls think to go to the club and pull an ugly girl home. That ugly girl is sometimes as hard to get in your bed as a pretty one. And can be harder because you gotta fake that you love her for her to wanna sleep with you. But also I am biased here. I have very high standards. Most men have much lower standards so it's less of an issue.

Be ware of those who don't claim to be enlightened. Super dangerous.

In a party nightclub setting girls are drunk and just looking to have fun. So the value scan is very superficial: your looks, your vibe, your status. Honestly, looks is a huge factor. You can compensate for it, but... value is looks, for men and women.

1) That's false. Regardless he is a handsome and charismatic guy. 2) Money and wealth are huge factors in attraction and value. So this cannot be overlooked. 1) Yes, of course the high value men pair with the high value women and the low value men pair with the low value women. Most humans are low value so they pair with themselves. 2) Even so, most men are sexually frustrated and struggle to get laid. Of course! And the only reason you like me is because I am not Hitler. If I was Hitler you wouldn't like me any more. So what? All women are attracted to value. But not all of them aim high. Many people in general have very low standards. The notion that women do not scan men for value is nuts. They all do it unconsciously if not consciously. This doesn't mean they will only sleep with high value men. Value is a totally relative matter. You will not sleep with a homeless guy. Why not? Because he's too low value for you. The issue is that women's minds simply work in such a way that all of this is unconscious and instictive, not logically analyzed as we are doing here. So for a woman this kind of talk just does not compute or correspond to her reality. In her reality she just gets horny for some guy and doesn't care to know why. He's just magical and it's love. But behind the scenes her brain is doing value calculations. Why is Taylor Swift fucking a Superbowl Athlete and not a homeless guy? Why does Taylor Swift not sing love songs about all the homeless men she's slept with? Because she is maxing out her value. Actually we do. Japan, China, Russia, Germany, etc are facing into economic collapse and decline from lack of childbirth. Why are you so sure about that? Maybe they do. That is mostly thanks to previous generations. China's population is declining now every year. It doesn't matter what the population numbers are, everyone is mating based on the value they can unconsciously maximize. How successful they are is another matter. Most people will end up settling.

Dancin' with the Devil

I found the best approach is to date freely whoever you want until things get serious and exclusivity arises. Unethical would be if you start lying about things. Setting the right frame is important. What are your intentions? Do you want a gf or do you want to just sleep around? Set your frame accordingly so she is not misled.