Leo Gura

YOU are making it personal. It's not personal. No it doesn't. That's how you take it because you are insecure and resentful.

Creep is not someone you are, creepy is the socially uncalibrated way you are behaving, which you could change if you were serious about learning game. If I stared at people's crotches whenever I talked to them, that would be a creepy behavior that I could learn to change and stop being creepy.

What case are you citing?

Dude, stop it.

@mr_engineer You are totally missing the point.

There are many things I could do around you which would be legal but still make you want to run away. You can be likeable or you can be unlikeable. That's really up to you. And even ugly people can be likeable by acting in a likeable way.

I cannot make sense of what you asked.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would this course help you build the house you want? And how much more effective is this course vs a book or free videos?

@Past-Philosopher-562 How old are you? And what is stopping you from doing those things?

Frankly, all this is too much investment into a girl who doesn't care about you. The real solution here is to go talk to 100 other girls and forget about this one. Don't chase girls who don't return your interest.

Hard to say. What is it you want out of life?

That's a bit more tricky. Don't give her much attention I guess. But it's a weird situation.

Don't be so melodramatic. The gist of your whole topic was linking up the notion of "the West" with those other concepts. And it is perfectly legitmate for me to question the validity of such a linking. That is not a case of some absolute skepticism on my part.

Then that would have been a different (and better) sort of point. A great point could always be made. They key is to make it

I find this whole notion that "the West" has a special set of values quite childish and silly. "The West" and its purported "values" are a shallow social construction and gross generalization, so spending much time analyzing them is a waste of time. You're not gonna get high quality insight from this line of reasoning. There are complex trade-offs between individualism and collectivism which go far beyond East or West.

Because she's a girl and she goes with the wind. Girls are often confused. Sounds like she's not emotionally available right now. It happens. Not your fault. What you do in such a case is tell her: text me when you become emotionally available and we will go on a date. Don't text her for 3-6 months. Check in with her in 3-6 months. I've had cases like this which I eventually converted just by giving her 3-6 months of space and then checking in with her in 3-6 months. But very importantly, don't sit around waiting for her. Carry on with your dating. And in 3-6 months she might come around. The important thing here is to give her space and not to make a big deal of this nor to put any pressure or expectations on her. Just treat the whole thing casually, as if it's nothing important. Do not make an argument over this and do not act butt-hurt. Be detached and non-needy. If you do that, there's a decent chance that within 2-3 months she will contact you herself when she gets lonely and horny.

Men are not viewed as creepy in a small town. It's just that mass approaching in such a location is socially uncalibrated. It's one thing to spam-approach girls at a bar in NYC. It's another thing to spam-approach girls at the village church. Your approach needs to be calibrated to the situation and the culture. Then it will not be preceived as creepy. You have some wrong ideas here. Men are not "hated by women" as you say. Women are just reacting to how you behave around them. If you behave in weird or threatening ways, they will react with aversion. Just like if I came up to you on the street and smeared shit on you, you would react with aversion.

Argument could be made that the West is very sick, not healthy. And then that sickness could be attributed to the very Western values you cherish.

Yes, but in a mysterious mystical sorta way.

He has bullshitted himself into believing it's a legit business. Guys like him don't have any higher standards. As long as it sells it's considered legit. Trump style. Which is why he's such an admirer of Trump. It's the saleman mentality. Anything that can be sold should be sold and is good simply because people buy it. This is why I hate sales and marketing people with a passion.

My opinion changes as I learn more. I don't have detailed knowledge of Pat's businesses. All I have to go on is what people report about it. From what I see now, Pat is extremely crafty in disguising his MLM as a serious business. Pat is a great bullshitter. But maybe I'm wrong. It's hard to know what's really going on in Pat's businesses from the outside.

Because you will build up tolerance and it's probably not good for your liver long-term.

I have no idea what he teaches in that seminar. Could be valuable, could be BS. But I can't really trust PBD's biz advice because his whole success was built on a sleezy MLM pyramid scheme. There is no evidence that he knows how to launch a real non-pyramid business that creates serious products and services. Mostly what I see is that PBD is very clever in setting up the persona of himself as a biz guru, but it mostly looks like a character he has concocted to fool his gullible pyramid scheme members. There are legit business seminars and workshops that are high end and worth it. Dan Kennedy used to do some of the best, hard-nose, high end business seminars. He charged a lot of money for them. Yes it's worth it because taking your biz from 7 figures to 8 figures to 9 figures requires new skills, mindsets, and strategies. If you already make $1M per year, paying $5k for a seminar is nothing. But if you are making nothing, you should not be shelling out $5k for such a seminar.

This is like when they let kids sit up front with the captain pre 9/11. Next, Putin in the nude humping a nuke.

Lol Psychedelics were outlawed in order to keep people's minds closed and easier to control. You can't control openminded people. It's closedminded people who are easily controlled.