Leo Gura

Cause they know they were lucky enough not to end up in a Gulag

But why would those achievements not exist under capitalism?

Hard to do that when fatman is brandishing his nukes and runs a total dictatorship. North Korea does some nasty cyber hacking and theft. You wanna feed that machine money? Cuba I agree to remove sanctions. Cuba is harmless.

China was a disaster under Mao. After Mao was out of the picture and people opened up to capitalist markets, things started to work.

I study many countries. I've studied North Korea. I studied Cuba. I studied Lybia. I studied Mao. I'm studying Venezuela. Mao was a monster. Yeah, and whenever you implement your version of Marxism is it will be your own sick spin on it. No one is gonna let you implement a pure version of Marxism. You will be have to kill 1000 people just to have a chance to implement some half-assed sick version of it. You're gonna have resistance. Your own Marxist friends will want to kill you in the end because they disagree with your version of it and they will want power for themselves. So either you kill all of them or they will kill you. And that's not to even the mention the capitalists who will try to kill you. When you talk about implementing Marxism, you're talking about murdering people. That's the reality of it. Otherwise it's just pipedreams. Lenin understood this. You have to be psychopath just to get it bootstrapped.

Don't worry about that. Save yourself first. Then you can patch things up with them. You don't owe them your whole life. Create a good life for yourself, then you will be in a nice position to reconnect with whatever good family members you have. But you can't do that while you are suicidal and stuck in hell. Just keep taking baby steps each day towards moving out on your own. You will start to feel better just from taking that action each day.

If you really wanna understand Marxism, don't read about Marx or even Marx, read the history of the Soviet Union. That shows you how it plays out in the real world rather than theory. Reading that history will make your jaw drop at the devilry of it all. I will add some good books about that soon. I studied it a lot.

Yeah, Marx had some good critiques. But again, the real question is how you improve upon capitalism. How do you know your system improves upon it rather than making it worse? I can critique mankind for being demons all day long. But in the end, how do you stop them from being the demons we all know they are?

The bad wings are the psychopaths, sociopaths, rapists, and Stage Reds. Watch out for those. If you avoid those, you can find some really cool guys.

That wasn't a genocide, it was a classic war. And it is irrelevant to the fundamental flaws of Marxism. That awful history was 70 years ago. Time to move on. The rest of the world did.

@Bobby_2021 I have a deep enough understanding of human nature and business, that I know Marxism will never work. Not in our lifetime. It has been tried many times and it failed many times. This is no mere coincidence. You have to face its failures without resorting to blaming capitalists. My parents lived under this system. It's not a good way to live.

@Bobby_2021 You should read the North Korea book on my book list. It's truly an awful place. One of the worst places on Earth. Defending this system with false equivalence does not speak well of your worldview.

It's hard to control everyone like that. For the most part this thread has been quite on-the-rails and calm. This is a very controversial issue which gets people agitated. So considering that, we're doing good here.

The real question is: What's gonna actually happen when you implement it in the real world? How can you have any faith that it won't turn into a total clusterfuck?

Because people have diverse perspectives and I cannot dictate what people should believe in this work. If all the Mods agreed with me all the time then it would be an echo-chamber. This is the tricky nature of community. I do block some people from the politics sub-forum who cannot control their biases. But I have to be careful with that because I don't want to create an echo-chamber.

Many wounded, crippled, and orphaned too. It's really bad.

That's the core of Einstein's Relativity theory. Location is not absolute, it's relative. You need to have two objects that you can compare in order to create a "location". Location is relativistic. Which then makes distance and length relativistic. And velocity relativistic. And time relativistic.

Then why cry about terrorists? The problem is all this invented bullshit.

You are above such childish views.

Yeah, but you would cry outrage over it. You'd call it terrorism and evil.

Are you cool with bombing Tel Aviv since IDF members and leaders live there? If Netanyahu visits a hospital, it's cool to bomb that hospital, right? Why does Netanyahu hide among civilians? If settlers have guns and ammo, it's cool to bomb settlements, yeah?

How convenient for you. Uncovering BS is not a matter of strict factuality. Your mind has to connect dots and see things which are not always spelled out. Facts alone are not enough, you also have to do analysis and synthesis. Chomsky and Pappe offer high quality, serious analysis, for those who care to understand the situation. It also requires empathy. Without empathy you are blind.

Because some things are easier to source than others. This topic requires reading, research, and intention to unravel. It takes work.

Do you identify as an electron microscope? Why would your eyes be able to zoom in infinitely??

Two guys who don't understand reality acting very hard like they do.