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This is also an improper way of looking at it. Wish instead to love it all exactly as it is. Stop hating your own self. Anything in the universe which you hate is you hating yourself. The solution is to love yourself instead.

That's the wrong way of looking at it. You created the whole universe, all the people in it, and all the benefit anyone has ever received. You're not just nothing, you're EVERYTHING!

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Do not confuse absolute and relative matters. The context of this thread is a relative one about human societies, religion, etc. Within such a context, social science and developmental psychology (like Spiral Dynamics) is applicable and useful. The materialistic paradigm is a totally different context. The context there is the ultimate nature of reality, in which case it is incorrect. But the materialistic paradigm is great if you want to land a rover on Mars. Science isn't all wrong. It's just limited to certain contexts and it cannot address the ultimate metaphysical questions. Of course there is good science and bad science. Science which contradicts nonduality is bad science. Although even it can be useful in certain narrow situations like building a new iPhone. Who decide which science is good and which is bad? You do, of course! You are the ultimate arbiter of truth. Since you are God and you are imagining this whole game. Whatever you say is true and good will be true and good from your POV.

This is off-topic for this thread.

Maybe I don't think so because what it means to be human is to be limited in specific ways. Humans are a very crude species. We are extremely limited compared to other possible beings. Remember, humans and ants are ultimately one. But that does not mean an ant can do calculus. From an ant's POV a human being can perform miracles.

Your son, your letter, the universe, your life, and your death are all being imagined in the mind of God. Consciousness does not leave the body. The body is an imagination of infinite consciousness. Consciousness is what you really are, and it cannot go anywhere because it imagines all possible locations. Consciousness is nothing, nowhere, nohow, nowhen.

No Yes, that would be how. Extraordinary healing is definitely possible from everything I understand. There's an interesting possibility which people overlook about Jesus. Jesus may not have been a human being. So trying to replicate his results may simply be impossible for humans. It's probably THE most important factor. It matters a lot and will change your trips entirely. The person sitting next to you will cease to be person long before your hand turns into a tentacle. If you do large enough doses you could probably experience your hand as a tentacle, but then it will shift back. Like it could in a dream. Stop thinking of your dreams as unreal. They are as real as the physical world. So all that crazy stuff you are able to do in your dreams is God imagining new realities. God is all there ever is. Everything is God at all times, but you are not aware of this fact because you are so busy imagining being human. To be human is to imagine you are human. This conflicts with being the Godhead. It's hard to be both at once. Your whole life is just God experiencing humanness. God is relentless about it. Becoming conscious of God does not help your survival, and you are so wrapped up in survival that you cannot help yourself. You do not know how to stop and you are scared to death of God. So you actively avoid God, Truth, and Love. Because it's too good for your human mind to handle. That's the trick, it's hard to say how it will affect one's life. You have to be willing to surrender to it and let it take you wherever it takes you. You can't plan it out ahead of time. This whole path is a leap of faith. It's like jumping about of an airplane with no parachute. Later you discover: there isn't a ground. That model is not good for understanding psychedelic awakenings. There is a big difference between nonduality and all models/theories about reality. They are not even in the same ballpark. It's not about drawing conclusions. Nonduality is Absolutely Absolute. It is not a function of a mind explaining things. Explanation itself becomes impossible at such levels. Anyone who tries to advance a theory or model of reality is immediately wrong. It's obvious they do not understand that reality is Infinity and cannot be modeled in any way. They are not conscious of what God is. They are not conscious of how they are imagining all of reality, including all of their models. Those who have experienced the Absolute draw very similar conclusions to me. Be careful assuming that just because someone smoked some DMT and spoke to some aliens that they have experienced the Absolute. There are also many degrees of depth to the Absolute. Some people have only experienced the Absolute in a shallow way, without understanding its full ramifications for their worldview. It's not merely enough to take psychedelics, one has to deeply contemplate the right questions. Most DMT users are not contemplating anything because their trips are 5 minutes of utter chaos. For example, Joe Rogan talks about DMT a lot, but he does not understand the Absolute. Nor would I expect him to because he's not seriously investigating the substrate of reality. DMT is not a good substance for deep understanding because it's too fast acting. Spirituality has a lot of detours, astral realms, and other weird things to it. But Absolute Consciousness trumps them all. It is the ultimate source of all possible realities. It is the Groundless Ground. It is God. It is infinity. You are God, you are infinity. Yes, but it's got a high body load so I don't recommend taking it. Sounds right. 40mg of 5-MeO is a crazy dose. Remember, you can take many psychedelics at crazy high doses and experience crazy and impossible things. You just gotta be very careful. I deliberately do not take high doses. I take as much as I feel I can handle at the moment. This gradually grows me and allows me to handle more and more radical things. I proceed very cautiously. Where most people using psychedelics are like the rabbit, I am like the tortoise. I expect to discover many new things yet. The tortoise wins in the end

@Shadowraix DPT is already an HCl salt.

How else could it be? As far as I know DPT only comes in HCl salt form.

@Girzo You gotta plug it man. It will be so much pleasanter. Once you master plugging you'll never snort anything again. Plugging is silky smooth and painless. Snorting stuff is more harsh and the nasal drip distracts from the show. Snorting N,N-DMT is just terrible. Never again.

I cannot speak for you. For me, it's similar to 5-MeO-DMT in that it creates a state of total nondual consciousness, but then I'm also able to use my mind to contemplate whatever interests me and guide the trip in that direction. It's got a vibratory body energy more so than 5-MeO and it's more visual like a low dose of mushrooms. At higher doses the visuals will become more serious. I did not get serious visuals at 50mg. It lasts almost exactly twice as long. Which is awesome for contemplating. 5-MeO never quite lasts long enough for me. For me 2C-B has a terrible heavy body load. I don't enjoy that. LSD also tends to make my body feel uncomfortably alien. I enjoy the body feel of DPT more. 5-MeO-DMT probably has the least body feel of them all for me, which is nice. It's hard to definitely say that DPT is better than 5-MeO-DMT. I love them both. Both have something unique to offer. Both deserve to be at the top.

Do 50 trips, then let's talk. Words cannot explain.

I am interested to hear from other people who are able to use DPT in a positive nondual way like me. Then maybe we can get a better understanding of what we all have in common.

I don't know what parallel realities means. To me there is only one reality and one consciousness which imagines everything else. At moderate doses I could control it pretty well in a non-egotistical way. I could use my intention to guide me. That was nice. I could for example use my intention to heal myself or to contemplate a topic I was interested in. At higher doses I'd imagine you'd lose control and it would turn into insanity. I find that mushrooms can produces some delusional thoughts. But DPT is not like that for me. DPT is very true in my experience. When you are in the Absolute it is totally self-validating. It cannot have any external frames of reference. You just magically know that it's absolutely true. It is an understanding beyond ordinary human thoughts. It's like the understanding of God himself.

@Esoteric I also think a lot of people dose too high, thus their trips become totally out of control. I tend to dose moderately to avoid that. If I doubled my dose, yeah, it might turn into a hellscape at some point. Mushrooms have taught me the hard way not to do that.

But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

@Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything dark like that. I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some occult hellscape. To me DPT is a bit like a cross between 5-MeO-DMT and mushrooms.

I have no idea. That decision is on you. Sounds like I was being too flip. Sorry. I don't know what I don't know I am fallible. Which is why direct experience is king. My impressions of DPT were highly distorted by the negative nightmarish trip reports I read. I was very shocked to discover DPT was very pleasant for me. Well of course ego-death is God. It's just a question of how deeply you penetrate it. Sometimes its shallow, sometimes its very deep. God has many layers to it. You also want to experience that the ordinary sensory world is God too, not just formlessness. You would not want to plug PsychonautWiki's snorting dosages. That would be INSANITY. Their smoked dosages are accurate for plugging is what I meant. I have not smoked DPT so I don't know about what the best smoking dosages are. Sounds like starting low is a good idea.

Interesting note: Stan Grof did testing of DPT for treatment of alcoholics back in the 50's and 60's. I can definitely see it working for addiction recovery and treatment of depression. Then again, if an anxious or depressed person takes DPT, they might be in for some hell as their negative mind might become realized.

I have not tried it on account of its dangers. I assume it has some value. But from what I hear its too wild, chaotic, and nonsensical for our purposes. Although Martin Ball used to like it a lot before he stumbled upon 5-MeO. He even wrote a whole book about salvia.

I can verify that musical enhancement is pretty awesome on this substance. And it also seems to trigger crazy synchronicities. It's almost spooky how magical those can be. And I'm not a big synchronicity guy.

I have not experienced any darkness from it. Just pure God & Love. Interesting how that is. It seems to affect people very differently. It really unlocks the power of one's imagination, so whatever darkness exists in you may become manifest. Yeah, I read about it. Seems like a wacky cult-like organization. But they sure did pick a great chemical to start a religion around DPT will completely unlock one's imagination, so whatever religious imagery one believes in will become manifest. Or if you believe in pure nonduality, that will become manifest. On DPT I was actually able to integrate and understand all of the world's religious imagery simultaneously. It was an awesome degree of total integration which cannot be accomplished via ordinary thought. It was like a multi-dimensional integration and simultaneous understanding of all symbolic systems ever invented by mankind. All human symbolic understanding is relative and arbitrary. Yet all of it can also be meaningful to the one holding it.

Just be ware that many of those negative trip reports can be very misleading. For me the experience is purely positive and pleasant. Dosages on PsychonautWiki seem to be pretty accurate. Rectal doses are similar to smoked dosages! Making it very potent. For me, rectal doses go like this: Light: 20mg-30mg Medium: 30mg-40mg Heavy: 50mg+ But I'm pretty sensitive to all psychedelics, so you may need to dose higher. Your starting dose should be no higher than 20mg to get a feel for the body load and vibrations. With rectal administration the trip will start within 15 minutes, hit strong by 25 minutes, and last strongly until 2h30m. After effects tend to linger for quite a long time, at least a few more hours but you'll be out of the breakthrough zone by 2h30m. Be very cautious with anything above 50mg. It will melt your reality. DPT does not seem to come in any other form but HCl. The freebase version of DPT is oily and not suitable for storage from what I hear. Oh, and DPT HCl refuses to dissolve in water at all. You can still make a suspension, but the actual DPT particles will not dissolve. This isn't a problem per se. It absorbs into the body just the same. But emptying the oral syringe is a bit trickier because sometimes the particles tend to stay in the back of the syringe requiring a bit more effort to deliver the full dose. How To Plug Psychedelics video: https://www.actualized.org/insights/how-to-plug-psychedelics

I will soon be renaming this thread to: The DPT Mega-Thread This will be our go-to thread about DPT related questions, tips, techniques, etc. As usual, no sourcing questions. Here are some good reference links: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/DPT https://erowid.org/chemicals/dpt/ https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/dpt-subthread-dpt-dosage-methods-of-administration.399044/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipropyltryptamine https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/8y7k3j/dpt_dipropyltryptamine/