Leo Gura

Be careful not to get lost in forms and imagery. All of that imagery is your own imagination. God is YOU! Don't overlook that. It takes more trips to realize it.

@Garuda So by your logic Hindus are the only humans to discover God? Lol All of those lineages are imaginary. You don't need a lineage to discover God because you are God! All lineages start and end with YOU.

By your logic no one could ever become enlightened since he would need a guru, and his guru would need a guru, and so on, to infinity. How did the very first guru become enlightened? Obviously he had no guru. Obviously it's possible to become enlightened without a guru. And the most advanced people become enlightened on their own. The Buddha was not following any guru. There are many examples in history of people doing it on their own. It's also important to distinguish simply learning or getting advice from a teaching and devoting your life to following a guru. These are very different things. What I was talking about is devoting your life to a guru as a path to awakening. This is a poor path in my opinion. Getting advice from gurus is not a problem. The problem is when you start to expect the guru to be your actual vehicle to awakening. In that case you are using the guru exactly as one would use a psychedelic. Instead of a chemical guru you've found a human meat flesh guru. No, exceptional people have done it and can do it. But the average person cannot. You have to distinguish between freaks of nature and average people. Let's not pretend that everyone is like Sadhguru or the Buddha in their capabilities. My advice is for average people, not supernatural freaks (who don't need any advice). He was a freak. Don't compare average spiritual students to him. If you are like Ramana Maharshi, you don't need 5-MeO-DMT. But for the rest of us, there is 5-MeO-DMT to help speed up the way. It's like you're saying that just because some radical guy climbed Everest on his hands and feet that nobody needs helicopters or airplanes. Average people need assistance. A handful of freaks do not.

@Peo Actual and imaginary are ONE! Notice how your questions contain dualistic assumptions. You assume something other than imagination is possible. Well, you're imagining that! Imagination has no opposite since any opposite would itself be imaginary.

We have zero evidence that people have become as conscious via a human guru as a 5-MeO-DMT peak. I highly doubt it. People who follow and depend upon human gurus, in my experience, are not very conscious at all. Which is precisely why they worship the guru. They are not conscious enough to realize that their guru is purely their own imagination at work. If they realized that, they'd stop worshiping the guru. What I'm saying is, anyone who claims to be enlightened, I don't trust that they have gone all the way. They have some degree of realization, but probably not a very deep one. And if they follow any guru, I certainly don't trust them. Which is not to say the guru is bad or wrong. It's just not an effective method of being highly conscious. People do it because they have not other options, no other tools. If they had 5-MeO-DMT they would realize the foolishness of following another human being or listening to any verbal teachings. Verbal teachings are garbage, and even practices are too weak. And even the guru's shaktipat will be too weak to reach the levels of consciousness I am talking about. Those are only good when you have nothing better.

Other way around: his body died upon fully realizing himself as God.

1 hr or less is ideal. Suffering and pain are of course imaginary. You are imagining the distinction between pleasure and pain. It takes enormous consciousness to be aware of this because pain is most directly related to ego and survival. Do not underestimate the power of survival. It is second only to Truth. Do not quote JP to me. He has no idea what he is talking about. Imaginary is EVERYTHING, including your distinction between real and imaginary.

God-realized

Do not plug anything without taking a shit first. This is rule #1 of plugging. Failure to do so will significantly reduce doseage.

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I didn't say it wasn't worthwhile. His programs are good. But 5-MeO-DMT is better. And also, you can do both, so there's no need to disparage one or the other.

And a motorcycle can damage the yogic system. That didn't keep Sadhguru from loving them. Hasn't your mother ever told you to not ride motorcycles?

Now that's enlightenment!

Funny how Sadhguru has no problem riding a sports car, motorcycle, airplane, or helicopter rather than using his legs, but then has a problem with using technology to travel within one's own mind. That's a rather materialistic view of technology. If he is such an inner engineer, why neglect the most powerful inner engineering tools? None of his programs will change you as much as a few psychedelic trips will. The most powerful technology is spiritual technology. The most advanced guru is psychedelics. You will never meet a human guru more powerful than 5-MeO-DMT.

IPEC, the coach training program I completed has a Myers-Briggs-like assessment for gauging a person's level of consciousness. It's quite good but they charge money to take it. That's just one example. It's not hard to design a questionnaire which will assess a person's level of consciousness. Here are a few same questions: On a scale of 1 to 5, rate how much you agree or disagree with the following statements: Nothing is bad in the world. The world is perfect exactly as it is. I am able to give love freely to all living beings. Fear is an illusion. All living beings are interconnected. Science is a partial, narrow, relative way of understanding the world. If the body is destroyed, my true self will not be harmed. Morality is a relative human invention. Every religion is part true, and part false. I am responsible for creating my emotions. All evil is done out of lack of consciousness & ignorance. Etc. An unconscious person will not be able to strongly agree to any of the above statements because their ego is too insecure and because their everyday experience does not demonstrate the above truths. To an unconscious person the above questionnaire will appear stupid, childish, hopelessly unrealistic, and even delusional. Which precisely tells you their level of consciousness.

That 1/4 tsp you mention is not used for measuring the substance, it's merely used as a mixing container. Such a sized spoon is big enough to mix basically any dose of psychedelic that is safe to consume. When you suck up the substance + water mixture from the spoon using the syringe, the suction will pull up all particles of matter, even if its not fully dissolved. Of course a few particles tend to remain on the very bottom of the spoon. But you can even suck those up by adding a couple more drops of water after your first suction, and doing a second smaller suction. If done carefully, that second suction should ensure that you get 98%+ of the substance into the syringe. Use the microscoop to stir the substance into the water.

Consciousness is fundamental. You cannot measure it because it is the means by which all measurement is made. In other words, consciousness is self-knowing. But more practically it actually is possible to devise tests for consciousness. Such tests have already been created and they can quickly show you how conscious you are. Of course if you're not very conscious you will reject the test's validity because who wants to admit they are not conscious? It doesn't, rather infinite Will has a good story

Legit but you need to have the right expectations. They will not make you enlightened. They are nowhere as powerful as psychedelics or a hardcore meditative or yogic practice. I consider them good training wheels for newbies.

One of biggest drawbacks is that it can make you lazy, isolated, and spoiled. Most people need some degree of external pressure to keep them straight, otherwise they would become spoiled and lost in themselves. Not being accountable to anyone is not all sweetness. Because then you have to hold yourself to account, which is quite the challange.

It wasn't a discussion of Vedanta, it was framed as a nonduality war and devolved into that. Threads which split hairs over unspeakable truths are not helpful, they just get folks riled up and defensive as folks talk past one another. 5 blind men and the elephant syndrome. It's literally a debate about nothing.

Firstly, you DO get some access. You have some access to it even now. You've been using God's creative aspect your whole life. What do you think your mind is? Don't take your mind for granted. It is a powerful creative force. Secondly, there are still limits because that's what it means to be human. You cannot just grow wings and fly off into the sunset. Because God has imagined a rule-bound world. That is what your current state of consciousness entails. If you were to radically change your state you could grow wings and fly away. Which you can do in your dreams, for example. But you tell yourself that that doesn't count. Well, that's your mistake right there. You are imagining that dreams and reality are two different things. They aren't. They are just different states of consciousness.

Because if that happened they'd all soon realize they are full of shit.

@Chi_ Yes, but when you flatten it don't push it down into the scoop, slide off the pile lightly sideways.

It's possible with a body. I have been there many times. But living from that place isn't too practical. @Corpus The body is imaginary, including all those bacteria you're imagining. Cancer is imaginary too.

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