Leo Gura

You live in some backward part of the world with low people in general. What you describe is not normal.

Where does Jesus say that anal sex is bad?

Just like life.

I believe what some people say but I question it a lot and look for ways to test it or cross-reference it against other things. The beliefs are temporary placeholders. You always have some kind of picture of how the world really is. I hold many speculations and intuitions about things, which are used to advance sense-making.

Yes, it's imporant to realize that Christians take such things literally. They aren't joking around even if it seems that way to us.

When I say not-knowing, I mean the Ralston sense. Which is the proper sense. I don't mean false knowing or fantasy. For example, I clearly know that I don't know the historical Jesus. I don't even know if he existed. I don't know if he was maybe Satan incarnate sent to ensnare mankind's minds. That's how deep that not-knowing goes. And my claim is that if you are honest with yourself, you have this exact same level of not-knowing underneath all the noise and bluster. Christians refuse to acknowledge this simple level of not-knowing because it would destroy their whole worldview. Which is why they need faith.

Non-partisan is an identity like abstitence is a sex positon.

Not really, because you actually know something about Tolle and Leo. Like actual facts. About Jesus you have highly distorted stories. Also, notice that you don't worship or revere Tolle or Leo. You don't give them some special epic status. You treat them as other humans -- which is appropriate. If Jesus was an asshole, you wouldn't know it. If I am an asshole, you know it. That's an important difference.

I don't need to be in your mind to understand that Jesus is a construct. But I am not here to change your mind. You do spirituality your way.

I don't deny that any states exist. You can have a mystical experience of Jesus. And of thousands of other humans. That doesn't mean what you may think it means. It doesn't mean it's the historical Jesus. It's your construction. Which is fine, as long as you're aware of that.

I will continue to do it because your life is not at stake here, but mine is. I reserve the right to edit anything I say at any time. The demonizations don't come from you, but from outsiders who are bad faith actors with harmful intentions.

I edited my own words. I do that sometimes to stop people from demonizing me.

Depends on what you mean by believe. Of course. But I know what a belief is. I take feedback all the time.

If he had the wisdom to stick to his business, we wouldn't be talking about him. But he is corrupting the entire government. So it is our right and duty to call him dangerous. Musk wants to take democracy away from us. This makes him an enemy of the people. No amount of business success can excuse such a grevious sin. If Musk is gonna play dirty and undermine democracy, he should be worried about a lot more than just about critical words. He has no idea what tree he's barked up.

The world's greatest gamer would never lie.

You speak of some imaginary harm which I spend no time thinking about. If there was a real harm then I would care.

Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately some addicts will just destroy themselves. You can't save everyone. Keep in mind that most serious addicts have much deeper issues than merely a chemical addiction. The chemical addiction is just a coping mechanism for their miserable existence.

Good luck with that

@Francis777 Using truth to hurt people is very different from them freaking out at you for their own petty reasons.

I will happily be the biggest freak in the world. As if anything humans understand matters.

You don't see why a guy who does business with the government and intelligence agencies and world leaders would lie about habitual use of legally questionable "drugs"? NASA almost cancelled their contract with Musk after he smoked weed on Joe Rogan. You think if Musk was addicted to it he would tell you about it? Do you think he even has enough self-awareness to admit to himself if he is addicted?

This is misleading false equivalence. What's not being acknowleged is that relgious people can easily have all sorts of mystical experiences and yet still be very self-deceived and thereby never properly realize God or Love. Christianity gives the mind license to conflate its fantasies with God and Love by not teaching people how to seperate out God from Christianity and all human constructions.

No. This is very poor logic. An exceptional person can experience God and Love under almost any circumstance. What really matters is the average user of the teaching. And there are many harmful side-effects of religion which are being conveniently ignored. Just because a Christian has an Awakening does not mean that Christianity has been validated. This is actually even more dangerous because now the Christian will excuse away all the problems that Christianity causes, as happened in this thread. And a Christian Awakening is not going to be the same thing as other kinds of Awakenings. It will come with all sorts of fantasies and self-deceptions. And there is far more at stake in life than just Awakening. There is politics, and much more. A Christian can have an Awakening and then go right to believing that Palestinians are demons. Christians will use Awakening to monopolize God for themselves in narcissistic fashion and use it to shove their verison of God down your throat. And use it to justify all their other false and limited beliefs, of which there are many. The whole beauty of God is that it isn't Christian. God cares about Christians as much as Christians care about bacteria living in their butts.

I thought it would work but it didn't.

Ah, yes. Musk famously tells you the truth.