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They are limited in that regard. But the peak experiences are very significant for growth. You have to be fair here though. Listening to Shunyamurti or attending one of his retreats is certainly not going to raise your baseline level of consciousness either. You can learn more from DMT than you can from listening to all the gurus on YT. So it's absurd when a YT guru claims that psychedelics are somehow illusory or a distraction because psychedelics are certainly more powerful than any words coming out of a guru's mouth. If you have a bag of DMT you can ditch all the gurus.

That is the the problem with idealists and ideological puritans. They get so smug off their own moral righteousness that they lose sense of the pragmatic aspects of politics. The reality is that most Americans are simply not as progressive as Krystal and Kyle think they are. It would be nice if Krystal and Kyle woke up to that reality. Then they would stop smearing the more centrist Dems. Most voters are centrist. Which means in a democracy that centrists will win lots of elections and hold lots of power. So constantly rail against this reality is rather silly. They might as well be railing against water being wet.

Because their body is being held in YOUR consciousness. Their body goes POOF instantly from their POV. There is no body outside of one's POV of it.

Their takes are just so predictable. Every episode is just another wack at how the mainstream media is exaggerating the problem of Trump while being elitist and establishment. YES! Mainstream media is pro-status quo. YES! Mainstream pundits are not socialists or bleeding heart hippies. So what?? It's time to move on to deeper analysis. And the constantly false equivalency of Trump and establishment Dems is just absurd and plays right into his hands. I don't doubt that people watching Rising end up voting for Trump or not voting at all. And Krystal is responsible for that. It's the same problem as Jimmy Dore. They criticize Dems more than Trump just to be more "woke" than the mainstream media, the effect of which is giving Trump more votes.

There exist many people on this Earth who have been born with supernatural spiritual abilities which are beyond anything achievable by normal human physiology. To compare ourselves to such people is foolish and delusional. Yes, there are some people who can close their eyes and trip deeper than if they smoked DMT. There also exist people who can do incredible math calculations in their heads. But these are freaks of nature and you will never be able to match their results sober no matter how long you meditate or practice math. Because their neuro-chemistry is simply different than yours. They have natural psychedelics in their bloodstream by birth. The truth is that you will never reach the level of consciousness of a Sadhguru, Jesus, or Buddha. They are supernatural freaks of nature.

As I said! It all depends on how you define your terms! Stop acting dense. Except you can, and you are right now.

This thread has run its course.

As I said, it depends how you define your terms. Here you are, less than infinitely conscious right now. How can anything be impossible for Infinity?

@StripedGiraffe Nice!

Depends on your definitions of those terms. If you define Nirvana as a permanent state, then usually no. How could you not? If God could not forget it was God, how could it ever incarnate as a human? As a human your consciousness will always be less than infinite. You can experience a temporary Nirvana and come back.

@humanProcess Banned We don't put up with blind Trumpists here.

Very good insights. That's the crux of it.

I doubt you'll be able to avoid the fear. A central part of this work is facing fear and dealing with it in the moment. Otherwise it's like you're afraid of being afraid, which just makes you weaker. There's no easy way to take such powerful chemicals. If you want to avoid such fearful possibilities you should just not take psychedelics at all. They can and will freak you out if you take enough of them. The trick is to be courageous.

Republican candidates are just a representative sample of the Republican base. They have similar levels of cognitive and moral development. Similar levels of consciousness. All conservatives are highly conformist by nature. That's their entire MO. They are against progressive ideas because their minds are not open to new ideas period. They would even be against putting mayo on their french fries or eating ducks instead of chickens or wearing purple hair.

Good work. You just need to up your dose. Your dose is at the point where the ego still struggles to hang on. Once your dose gets to 15mg or 20mg, it will actually be easier as you enter a full nondual state. Stop worrying about the ego. It is irrelevant. Just snort it and enjoy the ride. At around the 20mg range you should be safe. Of course breathing is important. Don't stop breathing. But don't obsess over it either. You don't need to do any special deep breathing. Just normal casual breath. The whole point of fully letting go it that you accept it even if it means death. You just have to get over the fact that you might never come back. That comes with the territory of tripping. There are no guarantees, nor is it a good thing to desire such guarantees because this entire process is about facing your fear of death head-on and surrendering to the inevitable. You are not gonna escape this life alive. So you might as well accept that now. 20mg is a reasonable dose and I doubt anyone would die from it unless they have some special medical condition.

The very fact that I am incarnated as a human which is by definition a limited thing. The only way to be unlimited is to have no form. But then no one will know you exist. It is a contradiction to expect to see my face/body while at the same time expecting me to be unlimited. You must choose whether you want me to be limited or unlimited. If you chose unlimited, then don't expect me to have any form whatsoever.

@electroBeam Your ideas of enlightened people are silly.

What about if someone walks in with a straw?

@Flyboy Yeah, and you'll find that it's even worse than that. You'll find that you still have important lessons to integrate from Blue, Orange, and Green.

@electroBeam That's all cute, but it doesn't address the substance of what I said. Becoming a bear in your dreams is not the same thing as a breakthrough salvia trip. And shamans used psychedelics! So it's rather odd to use shamans as a case against psychedelics. Becoming a bear is not the same level of freak out as becoming a toilet seat. Nobody here is gonna mediate in a cave for 40 years. So citing such examples is absurd.

Dude, you have no idea how a psychedelic can shake you. Smoke a breakthrough dose of salvia and you will turn into a glass of orange juice, and all your enlightenment will melt away along with your sense of human life. What most enlightened people talk about is weak-sauces states of conventional consciousness. They have no idea how deep consciousness can really go. It is not possible to know such things without serious breakthrough trips on a wide variety of substances. There is no way you will mediate or self-inquire your way to such radical degrees of consciousness. Most teacher even acknowledge that it's possible to become conscious as an inanimate object.

@ZenSwift Good! You're doing things wisely.

That's not guaranteed. Progression is rare for many folks. People easily get themselves stuck. His problem is that he linked his career with that male macho teaching stuff. So it's gonna be hard for him to sheds its dysfunctions. "It's hard to to get a man to understand a thing when his career depends on him not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

That's the problem right there

Blind conformism. 90% of people who vote do not seriously think about actual policy. They vote based on their gut feel, which is governed by their level of Spiral development. Voting is not a logical activity. It's more akin to watching porn or scratching an itch.