Absolute Infinity

[Meeksauce]

- is not something only attainable after this life, or in an altered state, but is literally the case right now. This would blow your mind if you truly realized it. Psychedelics just remove some of the limitations your mind has placed on reality, so yes they bring you closer to unlimitedness; but how do you think limits could exist without unlimitedness governing them? It's impossible to explain, but once you see it everything just has this infinite quality to it. I got my clearest awakening in a dream where I basically just slipped out of the matrix into an infinite void - imagine being able to see infinitely far, only you can actually perceive the distance all the way, as if the filter that normally blocks this has been removed. The fact that this one glimpse gave me such a connecting thread for everything I have subsequently experienced is proof alone.

 

What I'm really getting at with this is not only that you can perceive the infinite at all times but that God is epicly good, so good that it breaks the standard human notion. You really would not believe it.

 

You already are the infinite perceiving itself, you just have to be smart enough to not succumb to your own illusions so you can see it more clearly. If you're lost and feel like you can't see it that's just what the infinite is doing at that moment - the situation is that you are swimming around in circles trying to plumb the well of your consciousness in 3 dimensions when it was in 4 the whole time.

Edited 1 hour ago by Meeksauce

[Mellowmarsh]

53 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

- is not something only attainable after this life, or in an altered state, but is literally the case right now. This would blow your mind if you truly realized it. Psychedelics just remove some of the limitations your mind has placed on reality, so yes they bring you closer to unlimitedness; but how do you think limits could exist without unlimitedness governing them? It's impossible to explain, but once you see it everything just has this infinite quality to it. I got my clearest awakening in a dream where I basically just slipped out of the matrix into an infinite void - imagine being able to see infinitely far, only you can actually perceive the distance all the way, as if the filter that normally blocks this has been removed. The fact that this one glimpse gave me such a connecting thread for everything I have subsequently experienced is proof alone.

 

What I'm really getting at with this is not only that you can perceive the infinite at all times but that God is epicly good, so good that it breaks the standard human notion. You really would not believe it.

 

You already are the infinite perceiving itself, you just have to be smart enough to not succumb to your own illusions so you can see it more clearly. If you're lost and feel like you can't see it that's just what the infinite is doing at that moment - the situation is that you are swimming around in circles trying to plumb the well of your consciousness in 3 dimensions when it was in 4 the whole time.

Excellent.

Yes, we all have the capacity to recognise this because we are this. 
 

Turiya (meaning "the fourth") is the fourth state of consciousness that acts as a pure, silent witness beyond the three everyday states of waking, dreaming, and deep sleep. Sometimes metaphorically called a "fourth-dimensional" or transcendental state of pure awareness, it underlies and pervades all ordinary human experiences.

There’s not even any distance between the perceiver and the perceived because distance implies there’s something to attain, something to reach, while this is already closer than your very own skin.

Infinity is the Absolute. Here now, everywhere and nowhere. Not a thing and all things. This, just this. One without a second. 
 

That which is blind, deaf, dumb, senseless, tasteless, unfeeling….arising/ appearing as sight, hearing, speaking, sensation, flavour, and emotion. 

[kavaris]

1 hour ago, Meeksauce said:

What I'm really getting at with this is not only that you can perceive the infinite at all times but that God is epicly good, so good that it breaks the standard human notion. You really would not believe it.

Yea, but what is meant by "good"? Thats a construct you are inventing, and are applying it to be inside of everything.

Like, you cant break the standard, if you dont even have ways to define said standard, which is to say then that description preludes actualization,

Like you dont have to actually believe it, since you can "say what you believe", and it doesnt necessarily align w/ you, as belief isnt pointing to something tangibly true. Like you dont hold onto thoughts you have, enough for them to be practically true in any way, so why would there be "absolution" in the course of "realizing yourself to be one"? Like, how did you end up here then? See below...

22 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Infinity is the Absolute. Here now, everywhere and nowhere. Not a thing and all things. This, just this. One without a second. 

Likewise, you cant have "Not a thing" and "All things", not only because "Not a thing" isnt a "thing" you can conceive of (unless negation is being used per its function, through speech~and not practically), but also, you are facing towards "those things that you think exist from both directions, absolutely", but the entire point is that, you cant have both sides. Once you challenge the other side of the equation ~ once you instigate "one" or "the other"... It validates "one" (YOUR construct of one) instead of the other, your construct of other. Like if you last left off @ "One", that then counters "Two". If you have two, it counters one.

It's not that the second choice wasnt an option, like... you just assume that its "simplified as one", but thats not the practical mechanism that is giving rise to that, for theres something that validates "oneness" prior to believing, saying, or actualizing. Likewise, it feels like everything you say is in the realm of validation, precisely because you have the ability to counter your own experiences. So what is that? Like, you are validating oneness, prior to validating your own experience as yourself, which doesnt make sense.

Edited 30 minutes ago by kavaris

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, kavaris said:

you cant have "Not a thing" and "All things",

Yes you can. A thing is not a thing, until it’s conceived of as the thing it’s not. 
 

Are you not conceiving the words in the moment they are being written, of course you are. 

[kavaris]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

A thing is not a thing

Ya but what does that mean?

[kavaris]

Like if you can cancel out everything, what do you have left? Its actionable cancelation, and yet, here we are still.

[Mellowmarsh]

Yes, and timeless and boundless too, appearing as time bound. 
 

Infinite movements with the unmoved silent still brilliant sea of unconditionally free love. It’s all good because it’s all free.

 

For my love there is no charge. That’s God.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Ya but what does that mean?

A chair is not a chair until you say it’s a chair, what does chair mean to you?

[kavaris]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

A chair is not a chair until you say it’s a chair, what does chair mean to you?

Well slow down there speedy Gonzolez, hold on...

We are at "if you can cancel out everything, what do you have left?"

[Meeksauce]

18 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Yea, but what is meant by "good"? Thats a construct you are inventing, and are applying it to be inside of everything.

Like, you cant break the standard, if you dont even have ways to define said standard, which is to say then that description preludes actualization,

Like you dont have to actually believe it, since you can "say what you believe", and it doesnt necessarily align w/ you, as belief isnt pointing to something tangibly true. Like you dont hold onto thoughts you have, enough for them to be practically true in any way, so why would there be "absolution" in the course of "realizing yourself to be one"? Like, how did you end up here then? See below...

Likewise, you cant have "Not a thing" and "All things", not only because "Not a thing" isnt a "thing" you can conceive of (unless negation is being used per its function, through speech~and not practically), but also, you are facing towards "those things that you think exist from both directions, absolutely", but the entire point is that, you cant have both sides. Once you challenge the other side of the equation ~ once you instigate "one" or "the other"... It validates "one" (YOUR construct of one) instead of the other, your construct of other. Like if you last left off @ "One", that then counters "Two". If you have two, it counters one.

It's not that the second choice wasnt an option, like... you just assume that its "simplified as one", but thats not the practical mechanism that is giving rise to that, for theres something that validates "oneness" prior to believing, saying, or actualizing. Likewise, it feels like everything you say is in the realm of validation, precisely because you have the ability to counter your own experiences. So what is that? Like, you are validating oneness, prior to validating your own experience as yourself, which doesnt make sense.

My brother in Christ you made the notion of good an absolute as God. This is like saying "torture and oral sex are completely equivalent because how do I know what God ordains". You're diminishing the intelligence and scope of God.

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Well slow down there speedy Gonzolez, hold on...

We are at "if you can cancel out everything, what do you have left?"

You cannot cancel out a thing that you have already created, conceived it as a thing. 
 

 

[kavaris]

^Hold on now, forget about God or not God, etc, etc...

P.s. im watchin a video to stay entertained, cause weve stumbled on a very tough Parmenidian path here...

"If we cancel everything out, whats that leave us w/,  and  whats doing the canceling, and how is it doing said canceling?"

[kavaris]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You cannot cancel out a thing that you have already created, conceived it as a thing. 
 

 

Oh i didnt see this post. hold up.