Question for Leo: Is Solipsism the reason behind impermanence

[Kiyo1104]

A few months ago I asked whether some dreams could be locked into a permanent state. Your answer was that every dream must eventually collapse back into pure emptiness and that all forms are inherently temporary.

Afterwards I revisited your episode on impermanence, where you explain that God is an infinite shapeshifter and therefore cannot be permanently locked into any form, because that would limit its infinite nature.

At first I wondered why couldn't God simply make some dream-bubbles permanent while continuing to imagine infinitely many other dream-bubbles? Wouldn't that still preserve God's infinite creative capacity?

But after contemplating this further, I started to suspect that my objection was based on a mistaken assumption. I was imagining God as simultaneously dreaming multiple independent bubbles of consciousness. However, if I understand your position on absolute solipsism correctly, there is only one dream bubble (the appearance of multiple dream bubbles simultaneously is imaginary).

If that's correct, then a permanent dream would not simply be one permanent bubble among many. It would effectively trap the entirety of consciousness/God itself, because there is no separate dream bubble outside of it that could continue dreaming other realities.

Am I understanding this correctly? Does impermanence ultimately follow from the fact that there is only one dream bubble rather than many simultaneously existing dream-bubbles within one consciousness/God?

[Hojo]

It is the universe is a dream bubble. The universe contains everything. But the universes point of view dream bubble shows that something is outside of the universe.

We are like tiny dream bubbles in a really big continuous dream bubble. Its so big it contains all dreams going at the same time.

Even when you die the universe is so big that there is someone dreaming a copy of your life still even after you die.

God is the formless bubble and it lets other bubbles make dreams inside of it.

The outside of the dream bubble can be seen right now just close your eyes. What is seen when you close your eyes is God outside of your dream bubble.

If others exist they are having dream bubbles from the perspective of the universe.

So you die you realize you were dreaming from the perspective of the universe

they die they realize they were dreaming from the perspective of the universe, and the connects you had were happening at the perspective of the universe not a human on Earth.

The ideas of what is happening in the dream are happening from outside the dream. You being on 'Earth' 'together' 'experiencing things on Earth' is not real in the universe and you might not even be on the same planet or you arent even on the same planet experiencing the same dream.

The universe is everywhere at the same time so the person who is dreaming is rendering it like this. You can be on Earth then mars then another planet and barely move if you become concious enough like this AI rendering a video game map.

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Hojo

[Kiyo1104]

 

54 minutes ago, Hojo said:

It is the universe is a dream bubble. The universe contains everything. But the universes point of view dream bubble shows that something is outside of the universe.

We are like tiny dream bubbles in a really big continuous dream bubble. Its so big it contains all dreams going at the same time.

Even when you die the universe is so big that there is someone dreaming a copy of your life still even after you die.

God is the formless bubble and it lets other bubbles make dreams inside of it.

The outside of the dream bubble can be seen right now just close your eyes. What is seen when you close your eyes is God outside of your dream bubble.

If others exist they are having dream bubbles from the perspective of the universe.

So you die you realize you were dreaming from the perspective of the universe

they die they realize they were dreaming from the perspective of the universe, and the connects you had were happening at the perspective of the universe not a human on Earth.

The ideas of what is happening in the dream are happening from outside the dream. You being on 'Earth' 'together' 'experiencing things on Earth' is not real in the universe and you might not even be on the same planet or you arent even on the same planet experiencing the same dream.

 

This confuses me a bit because If I understood Leo correctly on absolute solipsism, there is only one dream bubble -the appearance of other dream bubbles, other people having their own dream bubbles, or multiple dream bubbles existing simultaneously is imaginary. 

So when you say that other people are having their own dream bubbles from the perspective of the universe, it sounds as though you are describing multiple centers of consciousness existing simultaneously.

How is that compatible with absolute solipsism? Maybe I misunderstood what Leo meant by it.

[Hojo]

@Kiyo1104 Its like the one dreamer is dreaming them all seperately at the same time. 

Like a hivemind There is one bubble the queen and the queens bubble contains all the individual bubbles. 

The universe is only subjective. The other people are the queen and so are you.

But if not then there is only your perspective and it would work in the same way. And the queen hivemind idea still works here as you are not you you are still the queen.

 

The universes point of view could have dream bubbles that it can see in it and those dream bubbles would be its dream as its seeing it in its bubble.

There could be different centers but the centers dont matter as they are individually dreaming those centers. Like infinite solipisms being dreamt by the queen ant.

In the end everyone is the queen ant dreaming the reality that dosent exist because the queen dosent exist inside the universe.

The universes dream bubble can be seen to contain something that isnt in its dream bubble.

In the exact same way your dream bubble contains something that isnt in the dream bubble.

Its joined if you want to beleive but from the subjective view it isnt.

Edited 17 hours ago by Hojo

[Kiyo1104]

@Hojo Thanks, I appreciate the explanation. I think I understand your perspective better now. I'll have to contemplate it some more.