You cannot know Awareness

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Except for the exact image which is reflected.

Exact image of what, exactly?

[No1Here2c]

Put words to the wordless?

Good Luck!

Have fun!

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Put words to the wordless?

Good Luck!

Have fun!

Relative words or ideas ascribed to the absolute is absurd. 

[Mellowmarsh]

You cannot know awareness because you are awareness one without a second.

 

No human being will survive it’s own awakening. One must imagine one is very happy about that. 
 

 

[Willy Phallicus]

17 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Awareness can know you. 

Is really how it plays out.

Bingo.

[Lyubov]

We live in the unknown. All that arises comes from this and returns to this. Wouldn’t it be so boring if we didn’t? 

[Mellowmarsh]

17 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Awareness can know you. 

Is really how it plays out.

Awareness can know a thought. ie: a concept, the concept “you” …which is a thought.

But the concept / thought knows nothing. 

Awareness is not the concept / thought it knows.

A thought / concept cannot objectify awareness without turning awareness into an object known, which it is not.

Is really how it plays out. Yes, really. 

 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

Awareness never tells itself it is aware, it can’t because it’s already self illuminating. It’s too close to itself to look back at itself. 

Being knowingly aware via direct experience is still a mental construct appearing within awareness. Not awareness which neither appears or disappears.

Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality, in that it’s this knowing that cannot be known, for that which is known knows nothing. The known is a fiction, not real. 

While the real and the fiction sound similar, awareness ( real) is the "viewing screen," while self-consciousness is a "character" on that screen ( fiction) 

[Lyubov]

Y'all yap way too much go get a job or something 

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh You are treating “knowing” too conceptually by making a fixed conceptual split between knowing and knowledge. Awareness is not always accessed as one flat sine wave, it can disclose itself through layers, depths, states, and developmental capacities.

Conceptuality often cloaks awareness , however as a kind of meta-constructural language it also allows awareness to better differentiate, bring balance and recognise itself. So the distinction between direct knowing and conceptual knowledge is useful though only situationally and domain-specifically, not as a global absolute. Because different states of awareness are also going to bring about different bidirectional feedback loops with the content within awareness.

Best regards.

[Mellowmarsh]

36 minutes ago, oOo said:

@Mellowmarsh You are treating “knowing” too conceptually by making a fixed conceptual split between knowing and knowledge. Awareness is not always accessed as one flat sine wave, it can disclose itself through layers, depths, states, and developmental capacities.

Conceptuality often cloaks awareness , however as a kind of meta-constructural language it also allows awareness to better differentiate, bring balance and recognise itself. So the distinction between direct knowing and conceptual knowledge is useful though only situationally and domain-specifically, not as a global absolute. Because different states of awareness are also going to bring about different bidirectional feedback loops with the content within awareness.

Best regards.

Appreciate your input and response.

 

But I have absolutely no understanding of what you are talking about.

Best to you too.

[Joseph Maynor]

7 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Awareness can know a thought. ie: a concept, the concept “you” …which is a thought.

But the concept / thought knows nothing. 

Awareness is not the concept / thought it knows.

A thought / concept cannot objectify awareness without turning awareness into an object known, which it is not.

Is really how it plays out. Yes, really. 

This puts a lot of thought conditions on Awareness ironically.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This puts a lot of thought conditions on Awareness ironically.

False I 

 

The true I that you are cannot be seen, touched, described, or lost.

 It has no form, no age, or destiny. 

[Mellowmarsh]

The “You” that is already a known concept, cannot know the source of knowing awareness, because it is the source. 
 

The claim to know is always a not-knowing concept known, which knows nothing.

 

Knowing is all there is. This knowing is a knowing that cannot be known. Because how can infinity or oneness know itself without splitting into many concepts known, which know nothing.

[Joseph Maynor]

38 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The “You” that is

 

[Mellowmarsh]

33 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

 

Is nothing. Unless it’s a concept known, which also knows nothing. 

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh I mean this super simply, sorry when I write on the fly I sometimes forget the readers geography. 

This is a better pointer...

U are using thoughts to say thoughts cannot know awareness.

That is still a thought.

I agree awareness is deeper than thoughts.

A word is not awareness.

An idea is not awareness.

But words and ideas can still help point to awareness.

Like a mirror.

The mirror is not your face.

But it can still help you see your face.

So yes, awareness is beyond words.

Tho do not turn that into another strict belief.

Use the words, then look past the words.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by oOo

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, oOo said:

That said, do not turn that into another hard belief.

I don’t turn it into belief, I turn it into clarity. 

[oOo]

@Mellowmarsh i am not going to try convince u. U seem locked in ur frame.

Awareness can also go up and down depending on the thoughts and therefore content within them, and meanings from those can go up and down depending on kind of awareness that deoends on consciousness state. That was the main point 

Believe what u want 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, oOo said:

Awareness is not always the same.

When you are stressed, awareness may feel unclear.

When you are calm, awareness may feel clearer.

As you grow, awareness can also develop.

I still don’t know what you mean by those statements.

For me, awareness is the simple immediate observing of changing thoughts, and feeling's. 
 Not that awareness changes.