Fuck Enlightenment

[Ziran]

On 4/26/2026 at 6:35 PM, James123 said:

Resistance is ...

futile?  Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

On 4/26/2026 at 6:35 PM, James123 said:

Trying to do is hard, not doing is easy. 

Sometimes.  But what does that have to do with burning all my stuff?  Cars don't blow-up ln real life like they do on netflix.  Burning stuff is hard work.   Even managing a campfire is a lot of work.

On 4/26/2026 at 6:35 PM, James123 said:

Just shut up and just watch the talker, thinker and experiencer.

Posting on an internet forum is an RFC.  I will not "Shut up".  That's rude.

[Ziran]

20 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

to pursue a goal boldly. 

Fuck everything.  Pursuing a goal.  Those two things don't go together.

20 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Your interpretation above is one interpretation, but there’s another.

Please recall my first question?  It was asking for another interpretation.  I'm glad we've gotten there.

20 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

“Fuck it” signifies eager positive determination, transforming from a phrase of resignation into a powerful, liberating, and motivating tool.

Outside of Porn?  Positive determination?  Really?   ~blinks~

 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

Fuck everything.  Pursuing a goal.  Those two things don't go together.

Please recall my first question?  It was asking for another interpretation.  I'm glad we've gotten there.

Outside of Porn?  Positive determination?  Really?   ~blinks~

 

Semantics. 
 

 It’s about switching context.

 

You do you. 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 hours ago, Ziran said:

Outside of Porn?  Positive determination?  Really?   ~blinks~

Mistaking the images on the screen of consciousness for reality is pornography. 
 

Fuck that. 

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Mistaking the images on the screen of consciousness for reality is pornography. 
 

Fuck that. 

No.... not mistaking the images...

On 4/27/2026 at 1:18 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

In English : the opposite is also valid…“Fuck it” signifies eager positive determination,

In English, the only time the expression "Fuck It" expresses positive determination is in the context of porn.

If you disagree, please bring examples of circumstances where an individual exclaims "Fuck it!"  "Fuck everything" to communicate a positive determination.

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Semantics. 

Specifically catachresis.  

"Catachresis (from Greek κατάχρησις, 'misuse'), originally meaning a semantic misuse or error, is also the name given to many different types of figures of speech in which a word or phrase is being applied in a way that significantly departs from conventional (or traditional) usage" - Wikipedia

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You do you

Naturally

Edited 8 hours ago by Ziran

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Ziran said:

 

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Mistaking the images on the screen of consciousness for reality is pornography. 
 

Fuck that. 

No.... not mistaking the images...

 

Yes, mistaking the images for what’s looking. What’s looking is real, what’s looked upon is unreal. 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Naturally

Art is natural. Nature is artificial.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Ziran said:

If you disagree, please bring examples of circumstances where an individual exclaims "Fuck it!"  "Fuck everything" to communicate a positive determination.

I can’t because I am not disagreeing, I’m agreeing.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Catachresis (from Greek κατάχρησις, 'misuse'), originally meaning a semantic misuse or error, is also the name given to many different types of figures of speech in which a word or phrase is being applied in a way that significantly departs from conventional (or traditional) usage"

It’s all Greek to me.

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, mistaking the images for what’s looking. What’s looking is real, what’s looked upon is unreal. 

That's changing the subject.  

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nature is artificial.

Maybe so, maybe not. It's tempting to consider it, but, It's off topic.  I still love you, tho.  No harsh judgements.

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I am not disagreeing, I’m agreeing.

That's the spirit!  

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s all Greek to me.

The keywords are bold italic.

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

"Catachresis (from Greek κατάχρησις, 'misuse'), originally meaning a semantic misuse or error, is also the name given to many different types of figures of speech in which a word or phrase is being applied in a way that significantly departs from conventional (or traditional) usage" - Wikipedia

The point is:  It's a semantic fault.  It's not arbitrary.  If the meaning of "Fuck it / Fuck Everything" is being adapted, as opposed to being abused, perhaps within the context of poetry / art / freedom of speech, the one speaking would acknowledge the changes made to the conventional meaning.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

It's off topic

The topic is “ Fuck Enlightenment “

 

I personally agree with the topic. I also interpreted the F word to mean “dismiss” or “forget it” 

To let an idea go completely. 

I personally agree with the topic because “enlightenment” is just another try tactic of the ego to get something, adding more to it’s archive of achievements, when this is already perfectly being itself without trying or controlling it. 
 

I personally didn’t interpret the F word as meaning anything to do with a “someone”  expressing itself as rage or anger. 
 

The point is… The topic is about letting go of try, and just recognising yourself as this effortless being you already are.

That’s how it’s interpreted here anyway, I have no problem with how others interpret this. If it’s being interpreted as rage or anger, then that’s what it is there, but it’s not what is being interpreted here.

 

Hope this is back on topic and not diverging into semantic tangents.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

That's changing the subject.  

It’s obviously changing the subject. Everyone has their own opposition. 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

That's the spirit!  

Yeah, it sounds like a real story, that’s the art of language, truth is in the words. 
 

The truth I make up until I think I understand.