Ski'ntific Pontific Pontic Steps

[kavaris]

Rather than going over any one scientific or metaphysic, or magical type thing, why dont we ask about the *question, questioning, or the preconditions to "a thing", required. because its not until we find ourselves walking a path that we may begin to understand what path we want to be on thereafter, let alone what & why we are on that path... And this video is sortve the extension on that, leading into a more complete idea around the myst., or the incomprehendable questions & preconditions

This video begins from the notion of the "question", and the conditions towards theurgia. And rather than explain theurgia, which i certainly could (and may consider doing) leaving yous w/ 5 paragraphs all on it, i simply want to let yous uncover it on your own~Theurgy, which is layers of layers of layers~likely even beyond those who think they know what it is, as these things are basically a long story

 

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[kavaris]

No one understands whats goin on when it comes to like, just the bare basics of nature & progress and its relationship to ethics, history, magick, etc (which are just a few of the things that use to be tightly interwoven) because like we arent seeing how far weve come, both for the bad and the better. Some areas we are progessing in society, some areas we are going backwards..

some of this isnt about studying history or science, philo., not directly... As its like *growing a seed or a flower from seed...

That is, if you arent growing from a  perspective that is producing the right plants fromthe right seeds... then wat do you have, right? Like, some of this stuff is actually about that initial artistry and acknowledgement... which is hard to really explain... but assuming you do get what im tryina say, it is that musical~poetic beginning that shapes the seed and plants.. And the consequences of that lead to "the necessary enthusiasm for a thing" -kindve thing... Like, im explaining it poorly, but its something like that...

Like that is what it all *leads up to, per the individual, which all depends on these seeds of understanding in the realm of art or music or poetry, but its not to dismiss the mystical, or the religious or the philosophical... Its just that its like, weve separated these things as if to *add something to them, and in doing so, weve pushed things to the side to say, "this isnt real" or "this is made up, but science is real... THATS real". Like thats not how you do science. Thats not how one defines "real". We havent even begun to do science or understand *real. Science was originally based in art & music, as well as the mystical, much like language.

Language was purely magical at one point in time, a way to practice divination, and was used identically for this reason in every culture. Like, we lise who we are when we fall into a closed minded systemthat only acknowledges things for what they are... Nevertheless, you can see who the innovators, though you have to go to Ancient Greece for this, to see how these thinkers are shaping things, and how important Mythology/Philosophy is to this, cause its another unseperable and intimately close-knit aspect...

Like, Protagoras for example (Not Pythagoras, granted i like Pythagoras too) who came a century or so before Plato... "Man is the measure of all things". Like, hes tryina express how unique our opinions and perspectives are~that they are a factor in this equation, an aspect that cannot be separated and taken for granted, cause you cant just say "What the nature of everything is, what reality is..." You need to consider that thats coming from one particular mind or framework, and thats a huge factor.

I wrote this thing recently, specifically on this subject of like, how we dont always know when an idea has gone from the "feeling space" to a place that "makes sense" or "is real" (putting aside that we might have to study what "real is" atleast in its most temporary degree~towards what we can even mean when we say *real.. ergo other terms like ~comprehensive~ might be a better temporary term to put in its place), and now, yous can tell me if you understand what im tryina say here, and if it makes sense to yous:

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That is to say, You go beyond feeling by *extending the surface level situation, explaining things holistically, OR adding to it the qualities or actions or ideas necessary to bridge it out of that "feeling space". Its not until we do this that our explanations may segue towards their own identity, that which might conclude part of the *present puzzle or subjects within our own contemplations, or at the very least, the way others are viewing those contemplations.

Granted, this is like 0.0000001% of stuff im still workin on, but you sortve start to see like, how intricate everything is, and how many threads you have the opportunity to pull apart and explore/explain...

p.s. Someone showed me the Abbas the Alchemist channel a month or so ago, nd hes got some interesting & well thought out stuff... granted, his videos are often short and sweet... but i bet i could find yous hella crazy resources, book lists, vids., etc., like i have so much stuff and im tryina figure out how to weed through all this atm... Someone like G. W. F. Hegel (1770-1830) was someone who was saying the same sortve thing, And again, there are Ancient Greeks saying this stuff, from a framework thats unrecognizable~but just as much rich, replete w/ fecundity...

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[kavaris]

p.s. Im pretty sure the dominant imperial cult under Constantine I, w/ Aurelian having elevated it to the supreme state religion in 274 AD just a generation before Constantine, lead to those predecessors of Constantine adopting the Sol invictus imperial impression, raising it up as we said, and im pretty sure thats one of, if not the primary reasons for Christianity, cause it merges judaic philosophy unto Roman Sol inv., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

Constantine made it such that they stopped persecuting christians and started to favor it. Like he starts aligning w/ a Christian God and the Christian institutional network, which subsequently gave him this unified identity/symbol and a claim to divine mandate... And 50 years or so later, Theodosius makes Christianity the official state religion.

I mean, that pretty much sealed the deal, granted alot of stuff lead up to this point, 200 and some years of it, but hey... it is what it is... I mean, iuno if yous would call that a foundation of a tradition, like The Jews certainly are painting their own portrait of what leads to their stuff, though iuno if theres any evidence. But evidence aside, theres def a way to make it work, bit iuno, the one god thing is weird... like its like we are copying off of atenism.

I was looking at Akhenaten not to long ago~as possibly pertaining to whether he was like, an illegitimate king, bearing a secret that gets him into trouble later, Alas iuno if yous would be into hearing about it.

Anyway i just thought that that Sol invictus thing was very telling... And its kindve annoying cause like, theres no true heroes in this story (specifically as it would pertain to the holy war). Its just like one ruler after another, indirectly, discretely burying Roman traditions, possibly on purpose, possibly by accident, and through Roman tradition itself. Like the best part in history was when the Greek gods just came onto the scene in Rome, and you had like jupiter, neptune, mars, mercury and apollo...Saturn & the Saturnalia.

"Wtf, we want the saturnalia.." thats wat i wouldve said 2000 years ago

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[kavaris]

 this is actually hilarious. there are accounts of people writing on the Saturnalia festival, that is...

Pliny the Elder reportedly built a soundproof room so he could work during the raucous celebrations.

Lol... hey.. Thats actually smart, lol. Soundproofing in 40-50 AD XD, good idea. keep out the sound.

The same thing is reported by Seneca the Younger, a complaint about the noise lvl (im guessing its common for writers to write how pissed they are bout the sounds, cause hes literally tryina write prose, tragedies, etc.)

Catullus describes it as "the best of days"  And He also ~humorously~ receives a book of terrible poetry from a friend as a jest what amounts to the worst Saturnalia gift 

Lucian makes a satirical steer around the festival, mocking the whole theological pretense of a god who can only preside over debauchery for one week a year ~ and then returns to being unknown XD. The four letters that form the third part of Lucian's Saturnalia turn the relations between Cronus and mortals upside down — the poor write to the god complaining they get no share of the festive abundance (Lucian himself grew up poor kindve, so maybe thats part of the joke)

Seneca is one of the richest witnesses because he's conflicted: he wants to participate, but finds the whole thing philosophically undignified. He writes to his friend Lucilius: "It is now the month of December, when the greatest part of the city is in a bustle. Loose reins are given to public dissipation; everywhere you may hear the sound of great preparations, as if there were some real difference between the days devoted to Saturn and those for transacting business." 

He then deliberates about whether he should join in or do what he usually does, continuing on ~ seemingly torn between whether or not he should be attending.

I mean, these are the best times, its like~millenium old traditions of hilarity, parody, satire, fun goofs & comedy, mockery, jesting, et caetera. Like...