Psychology of religion and dreams (less so on the psychology)

[kavaris]

Ive been doing a quick side project on Dreams and how they are viewed by certain divine/mystical beliefs, theologies of our past (which obviously are religions that still exist, though i just refer to how ~ they are really trying to understand the importance of "tradition" /+ ancestors of the past), Christianity, Buddhism & Islam and others, whatever ones yous want to bring up too, go ahead...

I believe theres something we need to understand here, not in regards to religion, as that's taken on a different meaning in the mod. day. I mean to talk about Dreams ~predominantly~ and tradition, and ancestors, as these are keywords i already mentioned. And you can refute that if yous wish, though i cannot imagine what/why you would want to be refuting. Presumably yous would want to introduce ideas on this topic / context~of theology + how dreams fit into the world-view

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion_and_dreams

Quote - Dreams have been interpreted in many different ways from being a source of power to the capability of understanding and communicating with the dead. Traditional forms of societies considered dreams as portals to another world, a spirit world. These societies would even say they could gain most of their religious ideas from dreams. They could identify the sacred and gain access to sacred realms or portals to the supernatural. The contemporary 21st century has brought about a scientific materialism that can be detrimental to understanding the concept of dreams and how to interpret them.

I would agree w/ whats being said on Science, but I would add that, understanding the act of, to dream, framing it like we do~or have done w/ the question, "What is reality/experience" - is the same w/ respect to the ques., "What does it mean to dream".

Quote - Native Americans' belief of dreaming is similar to Buddhism v. that of common Western beliefs. Their view of dreams and dream interpretation looks similar to that of an interactive conversation. The conversation happens between them and the world. They are able to have this conversation because they don't see a difference between dreaming and waking reality (see later on the repurposed title "sleepless dreaming") but rather an overlapping experience. In this particular event in which they are overlapping worlds, they are able to open up their spiritual eyes to the visible and invisible, the audible and inaudible.

The main idea of dreaming within this worldview is twofold: They look to gain a strong connection between them and the world, as well as enhance their self-knowledge and respect among their tribe. This is the case w/ Buddhism and Hinduism, w/ ideas like *sleepless dreaming, which is something akin to "the recognizing of dream as illusion", as well as being able to (through a certain Buddhist tradition) (there's that word again, "tradition") to maintain awareness during sleep.

And from the perspective, we have Hinduism that initializes this idea/theory as an encapsulation through the three states that come from Advaita Vedanta: waking (jagrat), dreaming (svapna) and deep sleep (suṣupti).

I like this idea of defining "sleepless dreaming" as "What reality is", because to me, thats what it is describing. Buddhism has its own term anyway, so you probably wont see the term "sleepless dreaming" in that context. That's from Wikipedia coming up with its own flawed Wikipedia language (more on this notion of reality=dream, what ive retitled a 'sleepless dream', to come)

Christianity

Quote - The belief of dreams tying with religious themes in the Western worldview was not something that was naturally intuitive. By having belief in these things, the Western culture would open their minds to a non-rational and imaginative force that opens up people's mind to understanding realism with evil and how one can have hope over it. Also, Pursuing dreams does not require God or gods and is why the Western culture receives this practice openly among their religious views and lifestyles.

Thats an unusual way to phrase it, but i do agree nevertheless, as it gets at the heart of what i would want to say. But i would just say,  Dreams are what *everything is, and understanding how to operate from a level thats concerned w/ *understanding everything~is a matter of repositioning the way you view everything currently. However, this doesnt say  "What a DREAM is...", as thats actually a little different from saying "Everything is a dream". So ill let yous stew on that one for a little, to see what yous come up w/

p.s. And also, Science can refer to very innovative and positive things, but in the mod. realm/time, we arent really using it to refer to stuff like that. Its talking about political affairs, and yas know.. Quantifying, and qualifying reality through observations and experiments with the same things, over and over and over again.

Islam

Quote - The Muslim society believes different forms of dreaming can help people come into contact with past martyrs of their faith. Their purpose is to give the dreamer full understanding of the martyr's existence and implications towards the future. Different examples of how dreams can affect the future of Muslims include but are not limited to: showing a prosperous future, motivate them into moral or spiritual development and warning them of impending dangers. Decisions made by Muslims can be as important as deciding a future spouse can be determined through one particular dream. The ultimate purpose behind these dreams is to give the devout Muslim a deeper insight into the truth that is not available in waking reality.

This isnt inherently a bad thing. Many NDE (near death experiences) ~though, mostly old/elderly people~ involves "seeing their family (possibly from the past)"

ME -> I had an NDE, though i only ever saw a void-like, very bright, very white light, so i dont know what elderly drugs are required for the universal family-oriented experience and such... WTF!)

So on its surface, i feel ancestry is a good thing. If muslims could tune into that, and go w/ a positive spin, and get rid of the idea of martyrs (they are just people arent they? they dont need to be viewed as martyrs, or rather, that is historical baggage being brought to a religious context that doesnt need to be brought w/ you into these realms of belief around religion, peace and harmony~which is suppose to be inherently peaceful, otherwise it is more like a strict doctrine of butthole)

Then and only then youd have something positive / worth investigating. There is several aspects (in Islam) that go in this weird dir., not-even-enjoyable to follow stuff,  and most of yous know this, or can feel it anyway. That is, Muslims gotta get rid of the pejorative wording and such that they like... Hooked on like their life depends on it. Think about it... Yall can make a new, flawless religion.

Every religion was at one time "starting over". In the beginning, Christianity had to cobble together how many Jewish elements for their "texts"? Imagine Islam... In the beginning you had (im using the words they use in Christian circumstances) Scribes / priests, elders (or bishops, etc.) who were in a room, or a cave, or a garden, or a mountain~writing this stuff down, which was, what was to become  canon  to the bib 'el, the tor Ah, or the QueerAnne. If that step never happened, alls we would have is a bunch of scattered, eratic fragments from the queeranii caves ~XD or whatever it was called where they found the dead sea scrolls, et caetera.

Lolol, Hey if any of yas read this far, yous can get a good laugh for the day. Anyway. Ive gone way off topic, but Hey, feel free to comment on religion too... Hey, just write. Fuck it. Let the words flow. Stop being scared. You literally have zero time in your lives to be scared of anything. HEEEeeeeey.

Edited 17 hours ago by kavaris