Forgiveness applied to being framed

[trenton]

I think I have realized a gap in Leo's forgiveness video. Although it is mostly good, there were some oversights which were not properly integrated, and I don't think he could have expected this. The thing is that he said that if somebody abused you physically or sexually, then that would require professional help like a therapist. This on its own is fair and likely true because the trauma would be too severe for exercises assumed for a general audience.

However, this did not account for psychological abuse in extreme forms including things which I have experienced but were not technically physical or sexual abuse. In my case I was framed for a variety of things across multiple examples including child sexual abuse and kidnapping due to a conspiracy to set me up and make me seem guilty when no such intent existed. When I try to tell people that I am a victim of a conspiracy to frame me, I end up seeming like I am crazy and people don't want to believe me because it sounds absurd. Although I was not physically or sexually abused, I was framed as if I were a perpetrator of child sexual abuse. This included an incident when I was at the park and a couple told me that a child was their brother when in reality the child had no brother. When I told the child that his brother was waiting for him and wanted me to come get him, the child panicked and ran to his mother who was outraged with me. Luckily, rather than pressing charges she told me to stay the fuck away from her child before I left. The conspirators had fled by the time I realized what was happening, thus making me seem like a liar.

Maybe the reason I got stuck on forgiveness is because being framed for serious crimes like the sexual exploitation of a minor, rape, or murder might constitute another form of abuse that requires therapy rather than a forgiveness exercise. The reason Leo's framework may not apply to these situations is because of the reasons why people do this. First of all, if somebody is framing you for a crime, they clearly are not ignorant and they obviously are lying while seeming reasonable to others because they deliberately planned and designed this entire situation. In this case something like "father forgive them for they know not what they do" most likely applies to the people who punished me, but not the perpetrators who framed me and lied to them making  them think I was guilty when I wasn't. The innocent people are not only executing someone innocent, but also enabling serious villains without realizing it.

Secondly, if people hurt you out of weakness and fear, then it is hard to say that this applies to people framing you for a serious crime which they deliberately planned and had no need to do it if you did nothing to them. At best the people framing you for a serious crime are doing so because they were directly responsible for a serious crime and want to avoid the consequences out of weakness and fear. However, in some cases there was no crime from the beginning and they created the entire crime from the beginning purely out of the sadistic pleasure of getting away with something so heinous while causing others severe harm for which they can never be held accountable.

Thirdly, people who hurt you were probably being selfish. Maybe people framing you for murder might come off as a tad self-centered. It kind of looks like they are trying to hurt me and get intense sadistic pleasure out of it.

Fourthly, people who hurt you were acting out of a desperate need for love and they wanted love from you. How exactly does that apply to someone framing you? Is it appreciation for the intelligence of evil that they have or is it to treat them with compassion for being poor people who were hurt and deserved better? At best I can see how this is pretty clever, but I don't want to actually do that to people because that would make me an asshole. I don't really see anyway to actually design a system that can't be exploited by this mechanism. We would probably have to avoid punishing people and instead focus on repair, knowing that it is possible that someone is the victim of a complex conspiracy to frame them and not even realize it while everyone is making them feel guilty to the point of a false confession.

Finally, people who frame you are definitely not very conscious. If they were self-aware and realized how selfish they would have to be to act this way with a complete absence of any form of empathy. It is hard to tell what kind of universe they were living in to not feel bad in the slightest at anything they were doing. They must have had a very different brain structure to think this was all somehow okay. There is no helping those people and we need to stay away from them by being able to recognize danger before it is too late even if they are in reality lurking for a target like you but you don't realize it because they present as completely normal human beings with plausible stories that seemingly exonerate them of any potential wrongdoing.

I am also realizing that if evil is questioned all the way to this level, it becomes completely impossible to distinguish who the devil is. What happens when people start trying to frame each other for framing them by making up these stories to make it seem like they are the ones framing you when in reality your the one framing them? Here is an example I thought of.

Suppose a man has a girlfriend who invites him for sex. However, this seduction is in reality part of a plot to frame the situation as rape/self defense in order to get away with murder. When the man does have sex with her a fight breaks out with injuries for both. However, the man leaves a potentially lethal stab wound in her which could cause the situation to look like rape/murder when in reality it is self-defense. Once he breaks free, run and calls the cops saying "help! My girlfriend seduced me as part of a plot to frame me for rape as she attempted to murder me claiming self-defense which in reality it wasn't! I stabbed her in self-defense leaving a potentially fatal wound and she needs to be rushed to the hospital or else her death was also deliberately designed on her part to make me seem like the bad guy when in reality she is the bad guy because she was the one trying to rape and murder me and not the other way around as she would claim in the event that she survives and attempts to frame me!

When the girlfriend survives she claims "he is a complete fucking liar! He is the one who tried to rape and murder me and not the other way around and now he is attempting to frame me as if I were the one setting up a murder plot when in reality it was him! I never seduced him, in fact I repeatedly told him no but he forced himself on me anyway and then left a potentially fatal stab wound as I attempted to fight back in self-defense only for him to flee as if I were the one trying to frame him and not the other way around! He is the one who set up the situation to make me look like the bad guy when really it was him! He's the one who wanted all the money to himself!"

Boyfriend says "no she's lying! She is the one who wanted all the money to herself and she therefore tried to get away with murder while claiming that I am the one who was trying to get away with murder as if I were claiming self-defense but lying while in reality I am actually telling the truth and it really was self-defense on my part and not hers!"

In this scenario they were the only two witnesses and there were no recordings of what actually happened in this intense fight. It might become impossible to tell who the bad guy is in this situation. If he said/ she said situations are already bad enough in cases of domestic violence and the police often can't do anything about those cases, then imagine this kind of he said / she said.

I think it is fair to say that being framed for a serious crime might be beyond what Leo intended for the exercise. How would you apply something like forgiveness to situations like being framed for something you didn't do, and how would you reconcile your life for having been ruined by the belief that you did something that you didn't do? In my case I have also been hurt by being turned into a scapegoat by my family, leaving me isolated due to the belief that I am somebody I am not as a consequence of lies and gossip which some innocent acting family members believed as a typical dynamic in narcissistic abuse. Part of me still feels tempted to not forgive the ignorant family members who believed the lies because they repeatedly failed to give me a pass for ignorance when I made a mistake and tried to make amends. They enabled the abuse by refusing to believe that I was being framed and they continue to do this do this day, hence I feel unsafe still. I may require a new life but struggle to build it.

Do you think forgiveness in scenarios of being framed might require the God Consciousness or awakening Leo was talking about in order to realize that I am one with the people who tried to frame me and not separate from them? Would that mean that I was the one who framed myself? This probably requires consciousness beyond what I currently see.

[Ramasta9]

Forgiveness is like the fragrance a rose releases when it is crushed.