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Was Max Stirner the first person to reach stage yellow?

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Max Stirner was someone who lived in 19th century Germany. He associated with a group called the Young Hegellians which contained notable figures such as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Stage orange was emerging in academia and Stirner was right at the cradle of stage green.

He wrote a book called The Ego and its Own, also known as The Unique and its Property. In it, he reasoned that mankind is controlled by spooks. Spooks are ideas that cause people to behave in a way they would otherwise not behave such as religion, nationalism, and property rights. Stirner, like many anarchists, rejected the legitimacy of the state, believing it to only be legitimate through the use of force. However, Stirner went a step further and rejected the idea of natural rights, seeing that as another spook. Stirner believed that society should organize itself as a union of egoists which differs from society in that the latter is based around spooky ideas whereas the former is a free association.

I was kind of thinking that this is a stage yellow idea. Socialism is a collectivistic ideology, contrasted with stage orange liberalism and the more extreme libertarianism. Max Stirner was critical of capitalism, putting him above stage orange, yet also critical of stage green as a collectivistic stage. He seems to have been the first person to critique stage green from above.

Max Stirner differed from others in that he believed that there was no such thing as objective morality. This naturally left his orange and green contemporaries feeling appalled as they felt that natural law was necessary to oppose oppression.

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Stirner strikes me as more Orange if anything. Yes he pointed out how much society is based off superstitious cultural norms (religion, nationalism etc) but that was more a response to stage Blue, not stage Orange and higher.

If he were truly Yellow, he would’ve probably wouldve integrated the need for collective action (something stage Green excels at), rather than jump the gun and just accept some sort of “individualist utopia” would be possible without any meaningful large-scale reforms to the society he lived in. 

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22 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Stirner strikes me as more Orange if anything. Yes he pointed out how much society is based off superstitious cultural norms (religion, nationalism etc) but that was more a response to stage Blue, not stage Orange and higher.

If he were truly Yellow, he would’ve probably would've integrated the need for collective action (something stage Green excels at), rather than jump the gun and just accept some sort of “individualist utopia” would be possible without any meaningful large-scale reforms to the society he lived in. 

I noticed that Stirner was critical of both capitalism and property rights, both of these being stage orange ideas. I would think that someone at stage orange would be an ancap rather than an egoist critical of both capitalism and communism.

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