Why are people and governments in November 2025 still supporting Israel

[Karmadhi]

Hello everyone

I made a while ago a thread similar to this 

However back then the war not only was not as dragged out as it is now, we also did not have the same reports that we have now

We now have official ICC warrants against Israel leaders, every human rights organization including the UN itself saying it is a genocide and also a death toll of over 68.000 (probably closer to 100.000). Also the leaked data that 83% of them have been civilians (not the 1 to 1 ratio Israel claimed before)

So, given all of these information, why I still see people support Israel?

By people i mean popular figures online, medias and even governments

There has been indeed a big change in perception of Israel

Most left wing Western governments are now pretty critical and even some moderate wing parties

However, countries like Germany, USA and even to some extent the UK still are very supportive of Israel

Cant they see how much this is damaging their credibility and standing in the world as "promoter of human rights and international law"?

What do they really gain by this insane support to Israel?

Lets analyze a bit

Israel does not have vital natural resources like Saudi, Russia or Qatar does. Therefore cutting ties with them would not disable economical activities for Western countries.

Israel is not an economic powerhouse. Their GDP per capita is indeed large but their overall GDP is nothing crazy, lower than most big western countries and therefore they would not be impacted much if they cut ties with them.

Israel is not the only ally they have in the region. Qatar and Saudi and UAE are pretty ok with Western powers these days and USA has a lot of bases in these countries so they do not really need Israel as a mandatory foothold in the region.

Lastly, Israel costs them a lot, especially the USA through getting aid and weapons. Weapons which could be used in Ukraine or a potential conflcit with China

So, why this crazy support still?

Same question for individuals like podcasters or famous people

Douglas Murray, Konstantin Kisin, everyone on Talk Tv, Destiny etc all still support Israel and many of them are not even Jewish.

Can someone explain it without the "Jews control the West" theory that I see more and more coming up?

Lastly, before someone says "Israel has Western values". No, they do not. Western values do not include genocide, rape in prisons, torture, sniping childreen for fun nor carpet bombing nor a two tier system death pentalty, nor praising terrorist in the parliament, nor dragging people from parliament if they criticize the war nor stealing organs from dead captives nor arbitrary jailing nor stealing land nor defending religious zelots nor intentional starvation and blocking of aid etc

I am asking this especially to non Jewish people as I think Jewish people will have indeed a bias to defend Israel

Edited 13 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Elliott]

8 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

 

Israel does not have vital natural resources like Saudi, Russia or Qatar does. Therefore cutting ties with them would not disable economical activities for Western countries.

 

Oil Market. The West does not trust the other middle eastern nations, let alone Russia and China influencing them. Israel is essentially their military base. The root is middle eastern oil and Suez canal. Most proponents are just victims of propaganda. We're in a global economy, every market is intertwined. Why does U.K. own Gibraltar, why do they have territory on Cyprus.

Edited 5 hours ago by Elliott