Groyper MAGA civil war analysis

[Raze]

Background:

Nick Fuentes was an far-right influencer, he claims he was more into mainstream conservatism when he got an intense cancellation getting banned from most social media, banks, and even being put on the no fly list.

He formed an online community called Groypers which has grown his fame by raiding mainstream conservative events.

In 2024 he dramatically increased in popularity seeming to stem from discontent towards republican policies particularly foreign policy and spread of conspiracy theories and seems to expand more after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 

Recently Tucker Carlson did an interview with Fuentes. Immediately there was major push back accusing Tucker of promoting antisemitism and nazism due to Fuentes past comments.

The republican jewish coalition hosted an event denouncing Fuentes and Tucker.
 

 

 

The heritage foundation initially made a statement standing with Tucker, but later apologized and back tracked.

My Analysis:

- This will help Fuentes.

He thrives when he can paint an image of being the truth teller the establishment is repressing. Seeing so much backlash will just prove to his fan base his theories about Jewish control and censorship in America are true. His streams already saw a major uptick in views

https://rumble.com/v716you-america-first-ep.-1590.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a

- The Zionist republicans against the groypers seem to be trying to counter them by increasing hatred towards Muslims.

At the anti Tucker event they let Randy Fine do a speech where he threatened to deport Mamdani. This will fail, most of the anti muslim theories without censorship evolve into anti Jewish theories. For example on Twitter many accounts like Gad Saad which pushed theories about Muslims secretly taking over Europe and claimed censorship was blocking this truth are now asking for more censorship because their accounts get flooded with replies and harassment from groypers blaming Jews for it.

- Long term, I think he will fail.

The fear is he will be the next trump and dictate the future of the conservative movement. But the difference is while Trump had a lot of positive fame due to his time as a celebrity, Fuentes is less famous and has negative fame due to his past extremist statements.
 

Unlike Trump, Fuentes can only make enemies. For example influencers like Candace Owens and Milo Yianoppolus are closest to him in beliefs, but they all hate each other. While the groypers have gained online influence, they have no actual power base and can’t reach people outside of the terminally online.

He seems aware of this, as he recently called for his followers to increase infiltration 

- There will be an uptick in violence

Groypers are expanding among young people seemingly in line with psychological degradation similar to the rise in the woke left. Both of these groups are more open to the use of violence. Blaming minorities like Jews for societal issues is also a sign of civilizational decline, in this case it’s accelerated by the actual influence operations and lobbying israel does and intense repression it pushed for its critics adding fuel to people spreading these beliefs.

 

EDIT:

https://rumble.com/v718mss-america-first-ep.-1591.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a

I watched his most recent stream. I may have been wrong about my skepticism if he’ll win. Here his speech counters and expands most of the points I predicted. He uses the repression to justify his beliefs, brags about his influence and tells his followers to begin infiltration and organization over spreading the message, and even suggests he will let go of feuds with others. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:01 PM by Raze

[Raze]

Groypers are expanding the tactics they used against Charlie Kirk, one was asking provocative questions then using the uncomfortable answers to create viral narratives to apply pressure 

 

[Infinity16]

It's interesting to see the trend of Republicans move the party further right only to criticize people who move it even further right.

Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1966. He, unlike most of his party, opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He opposed it on the grounds of being an infringement on freedom of association. Goldwater was clearly too far right for most of the country, losing all but 6 states. Aside from Arizona, his home state, Goldwater won the deep south, making him the first republican to do so since reconstruction (except Louisiana which Eisenhower won in his second term). This inspired the southern strategy which became associated with Nixon's campaign.

In the 1980s, Ronald Reagan courted the Evangelical vote. This is perhaps what sets the US apart from other western nations. Most of the west is Christian, but Evangelicals are a mostly American phenomenon. Prior to 1980, Evangelicals did not lean strongly one way or the other politically, but now, they make up the core voting bloc of the GOP. This helped move the GOP further right than contemporary mainstream right wing parties. But don't take my word for it. Goldwater himself complained about Evangelicals, mainly their lack of respect for separation between church and state. He, being in stage orange, was troubled by the takeover by people who refused to move beyond stage blue.

Reagan was succeeded by George HW Bush who was basically Reagan 2.0 but without the charisma. Ditto for Bush jr. But then, Donald Trump came along to disrupt the GOP and move it even further right. George W Bush and Mitt Romney were particularly critical of Trump's nativist and authoritarian tendencies. Trump had even more critics within the conservative movement before his first term. What Trump's victory proved was that the right in the US had a strong stage red undercurrent.

Now you see stage blue Ben Shapiro call out Tucker Carlson for platforming Nick Fuentes, a blatantly stage red fascist. Shapiro was previously critical of Donald Trump back in 2016 but was ok with supporting him in 2020.

[Elliott]

How receptive do you think gen Z and Alpha are to Fuentes' racism?

I can't see his racism sticking very well, but he is a far better speaker and more intelligent than Ben Shapiro. The guy is very intelligent but obviously a coward that has hid in his mom's basement his entire life making him afraid of people with foreign accents. If he can pivot away from racism I think he has a really good chance to make it big though, if he would be anti-immigration without the racism. Racism and fascism thrive in economic downturn, which is the foreseeable future.

Here is a good speech by Fuentes. I disagree with him, I think it's easily proven obvious his conclusions are wrong. But he does have a good grasp that there is a problem, just hasn't figured out Democratic policy is the actual solution. His logic is flawed by false premises about "Big government" and cultures. Hopefully his coarse honesty eventually leads him to the truth.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Elliott

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

How receptive do you think gen Z and Alpha are to Fuentes' racism?

There is a substantial minority that is adopting racial Identitarianism in a big way.

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

I can't see his racism sticking very well, but he is a far better speaker and more intelligent than Ben Shapiro. The guy is very intelligent but obviously a coward that has hid in his mom's basement his entire life making him afraid of people with foreign accents. If he can pivot away from racism I think he has a really good chance to make it big though, if he would be anti-immigration without the racism. Racism and fascism thrive in economic downturn, which is the foreseeable future.

He can’t pivot away from it when it’s already all over the internet. He can’t apologize for it either since that’ll hurt his image. He seems gesturing in the direction of pivoting away from it and it’s not really  working.

He is smarter and a better speaker than Ben Shapiro, however Shapiro’s positions are more palatable to the masses and he has a powerful network supporting him. Fuentes is fringe, deplatformed, and only makes enemies. 

Edited 24 minutes ago by Raze