Psychedelics and Spirituality

[ExploringReality]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

I’ve noticed that as well! Yeah man for sure, I think if you’re committed and doing the work from all angles you’re good. Especially if you have that vision of a life long journey, everyone has their path

First and foremost I want to apologize, last time we interacted I came off a dick. I'm sorry. 

Yes, psychedelics do things that nothing else could, but it doesn't replace the practice, it enhances them if used responsibly. When was the last time you tripped? And why have you decided not to if you don't? 

[ryoko]

Here's my take, having never taken any form of substance ever, not even alcohol and tobacco. 

There's a precedent, my friends all of them are very relaxed and engage in substances, LSD, weed, you name it. But they're not interested in spirituality per se. 

I've maintained this stance for various reasons. I value discipline so much more. I've been obsessed with meditation and spirituality since I was 16.  And I've had mystical experiences which completely altered course of my life, early on. This is not random, I've been practicing kriya yoga consistently. And these *high* experiences are not something to get attached to. I eventually stopped kriya yoga too. You inherit too much dogma in the process. I had a lot of purging to do. It's been a few years I'm clean of kriya yoga. Feels good.

I may be naturally receptive to mystical experiences. There was this few months I found out the pleasure house in the brain and started to call upon that at will. This just ruined my rhythm. It's not necessarily bad if you combine it with proper work. But it's not sustainable. Needs a lot of maintenance. This is a common level up among meditators. But, I realised these are not worth it. Again, more unlearning now. And gladly I don't do it anymore. It just makes no sense. 

I intuitively know I'm very obsessive, this is serious. I don't care about my own life when I set out to do something. So I stay away from external substances, at all costs. This has it's perks, and it's very much aligned with the life I live. My obsessions are channeled into what I do, and there's nothing more I need. 

My environment anchors me. I know many do not have the luxury or means to live in proximity to nature. It really helps me balance my fire. What's next is physical activities, it's a necessity. Something simple like x number of pushups everyday is enough. Something to get your blood pumping. Recently installed a pull-up bar in my room. Build tolerance for mental and physical pain, that's all it takes. Don't panic when you feel drained after experiencing flow state for hours. This is normal and rest like your life depends on it. Get gritty. You have to be totally comfortable living a life of pain all the time. That's the cost. Don't expect life to be all bliss. This idea of bliss 24x7 is unfortunately a very bad propaganda spread by people who market bliss. That's not how human brain works. 

I have tendencies of tangential thought and making connections through unusual means. Why am I even mentioning all this? Just letting you know in case you're like me, don't get pressured by those around you. You can totally have mystical experiences without any external substances. I think environment and obsessions are crucial factors. Genetics plays a crucial role too. Every tribe had a shaman, and in modern times, it's no exception. Know your gifts, and be mindful of what you intake. I would never in a thousand years take psychedelics. I'll call it myself, whatever I wanna experience. This is my ego. 

P.S - I eat one meal a day, used to be vegan. But I found it's better to have chicken daily. Meat of higher order organisms are too difficult for my energies. So, it's very rarely I consume them. 

Edited 11 hours ago by ryoko

[BlessedLion]

On 8/30/2025 at 9:19 PM, ExploringReality said:

First and foremost I want to apologize, last time we interacted I came off a dick. I'm sorry. 

Yes, psychedelics do things that nothing else could, but it doesn't replace the practice, it enhances them if used responsibly. When was the last time you tripped? And why have you decided not to if you don't? 

No sweat brother, I appreciate you saying that though! 
 

I tripped on Peyote about 2 years ago and had a really bad time. I tried shrooms and mdma after that and both times I just got the message “yeah this is done”. Recently I’ve found more stability in Witness Consciousness just through meditation and long walks so I’m pretty content with it. Nothing against psychedelics though and you made some very valid point for a psychedelic path balanced with practice and integration 

[BlessedLion]

8 hours ago, ryoko said:

Here's my take, having never taken any form of substance ever, not even alcohol and tobacco. 

There's a precedent, my friends all of them are very relaxed and engage in substances, LSD, weed, you name it. But they're not interested in spirituality per se. 

I've maintained this stance for various reasons. I value discipline so much more. I've been obsessed with meditation and spirituality since I was 16.  And I've had mystical experiences which completely altered course of my life, early on. This is not random, I've been practicing kriya yoga consistently. And these *high* experiences are not something to get attached to. I eventually stopped kriya yoga too. You inherit too much dogma in the process. I had a lot of purging to do. It's been a few years I'm clean of kriya yoga. Feels good.

I may be naturally receptive to mystical experiences. There was this few months I found out the pleasure house in the brain and started to call upon that at will. This just ruined my rhythm. It's not necessarily bad if you combine it with proper work. But it's not sustainable. Needs a lot of maintenance. This is a common level up among meditators. But, I realised these are not worth it. Again, more unlearning now. And gladly I don't do it anymore. It just makes no sense. 

I intuitively know I'm very obsessive, this is serious. I don't care about my own life when I set out to do something. So I stay away from external substances, at all costs. This has it's perks, and it's very much aligned with the life I live. My obsessions are channeled into what I do, and there's nothing more I need. 

My environment anchors me. I know many do not have the luxury or means to live in proximity to nature. It really helps me balance my fire. What's next is physical activities, it's a necessity. Something simple like x number of pushups everyday is enough. Something to get your blood pumping. Recently installed a pull-up bar in my room. Build tolerance for mental and physical pain, that's all it takes. Don't panic when you feel drained after experiencing flow state for hours. This is normal and rest like your life depends on it. Get gritty. You have to be totally comfortable living a life of pain all the time. That's the cost. Don't expect life to be all bliss. This idea of bliss 24x7 is unfortunately a very bad propaganda spread by people who market bliss. That's not how human brain works. 

I have tendencies of tangential thought and making connections through unusual means. Why am I even mentioning all this? Just letting you know in case you're like me, don't get pressured by those around you. You can totally have mystical experiences without any external substances. I think environment and obsessions are crucial factors. Genetics plays a crucial role too. Every tribe had a shaman, and in modern times, it's no exception. Know your gifts, and be mindful of what you intake. I would never in a thousand years take psychedelics. I'll call it myself, whatever I wanna experience. This is my ego. 

P.S - I eat one meal a day, used to be vegan. But I found it's better to have chicken daily. Meat of higher order organisms are too difficult for my energies. So, it's very rarely I consume them. 

Super interesting. Thanks for sharing !