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Hic sunt dracones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_be_dragons https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=hic sunt dracones&author=Water by the River No dragons Nothing to see here! But it seems after a little heavy dracones-partying some time back in the day, the most obvious "nothing to see here" performances ebbed a bit down. Godspeed! Nessie & dracones & Angels & Demons swimming & frolocking in the River & biting our heroic psychedelic avantgarde pioneers to the best of their abilities. Even Truth-loving ones. Its their Raison d'Être. The only thing they can't stand is love & compassion & boddhichitta. Truth-Love alone they eat for breakfast. Musical Coda playing by the River: Why? Its Game Lila on. Dr. John Churchill paraphrased: Its true that it can be considered a divine adventure, a divine play & comedy, but its also a f****** war. PS: Of course the higher dimensional (Alien) subtle beings/intelligences/entities are by a vast majority non-demonic/evil, although some high-performance higher dimensional dark/subtle beings have also been reported since the dawn of time. Not ones standard demon. And if operating in subtle realms (aka psychedelic trips), one better is firmly rooted on the Light side of the Force. Or one tends to attract f****** smart demonic distorter-shadows: Please allow me to introduce myself... And having these chaps with style & taste in ones pit crew... can be quite a show.

Do you believe that all is calm, positive and enchanting in the subtle realms? Humanity has told a different story over the millenia concerning the darker entities in some of these realms. Hic sunt dracones.

Evil forces and entities are as real (or unreal) as your toaster. Rumour has it that some alien dark entities like to eat mental sanity for breakfast Hic sunt Dracones by the River (translation according to forum guidelines: There can be hungry Nessie in the infinite Loch Ness smiling at poor unsuspecting pioneering psychonauts munching away health on all levels of Maslows Pyramid)

The book shows how complex past developments have been, and that we often get just a "white-washed" version, like a lense that was created in the Yoga-movements of the last 100-200 years. Same with Buddhism. Just look up Tantra and Tantric Buddhism, for example at David Gordon White. Whoopsi. Yoga is a complex thing too, as is Tantra. David Gordon White has interesting books.... For example "Daemons Are Forever: Contacts and Exchanges in the Eurasian Pandemonium". Fascinating. It also highlights that people are often playing with psychedelics and are not aware which doors in the Multiverse they open. And what can be behind them... A little preparation, knowledge of history, and respect is quite benefical in the opinion of yours truly. Hic sunt dracones. And dracones sometimes are more hungry than playful. Strange vibe from Sinister Yogis? Yes. Better go directly to the mountain summit (Enlightenment) than taking detours in shady valleys. But knowing that the shady valleys exist, and a little bit of care is indicated, that is quite helpful for the prepared mountaineer. Luckily, Hollywood already has a few-minute trailer: "...Teach me! No. " Guess what the authors of these themes (and Dr. Strange) did back in the day.... https://www.psychedelics.com/articles/doctor-strange-steve-englehart-and-lsd/ Fascinating place, our little earth hovering in a vast Universe & Multiverse beyond it Not Selling Darth Vader/Sinister Yogi practices by the River

Hi Pudgey, suffer in cycles. They have fun doing evil, and then they suffer. Big times. Or ever heard that the evil-spirit in the evil-haunted house is happy ever after? . Yeah, that is why he became an evil spirit in a haunted house. Sounds like a very smart idea. Maybe the evil entity likes to play with you afterwards so much that you can take him home, and later on go bat-shit-crazy, or get cancer, or I don't know what? How do you think entities were being summoned over the centuries in the history of humanity? With psychedelics of course. Starting in prehistoric times. And good look getting rid of your new shadow then. Hatsis, The Witches' Ointment: The Secret History of Psychedelic Magic Hancock, Visionary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(supernatural) At least some of these ladies & gentlemen had some basic understanding what they were doing and getting into, and some basic protection mechanisms. Hic sunt dracones. Selling don't shoot your knee cause it will hurt basic cause-effect-or-Karma by the River PS: Demon got a bit out of fashion, ET is more in fashion Vallue, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers And there are mostly nice ETs, then a few bad ETs, and also some "eat your mental sanity for breakfast ETs". Calling that then Alien Insanity would be a neologism with style, so to say. And then there are some ETs which have some really interesting and fascinating stuff to seduce the ambitious & curious psychonaut. Sadly, no camera can take pictures of them. And since one is already all beings, one can also become these ETs in certain states. So better got Will Smith on speed dial, just in case...

Oh my, give it a try and see if it causes suffering or not. Then tell us about Karma 1 0 1. Sorry, that recommendation was a bit unresponsible. My bad. Sure there is. A few centuries ago, they called that daemonic (of the good and bad kind). Nowadays, many daemonic entities changed their pronouns, and go by more fashionable terms like Aliens et al. (of the good and bad kind, high and low kind). Vallee, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers ...and get a demonic fan-club. Yes, great idea. Hic sunt dracones. Selling Water by the River PS: If selling Water by the River has to dream an illusion-dream anyway, he appears to have a a mild preference for a lucid nice dream instead of a non-lucid nightmare. But whatever floats ones boat I guess...

and jokes aside, what is going to rout very evil very confused and very angry/hateful souls back home after their murderous activity? Some good old frying in Dantes Inferno... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante) And yes, Dante was also into psychedelics... For more contemporary experiences: For some Hell-NDEs, Chris Bache, Dark Night, Early Dawn. Steps to a Deep Ecology of Mind. And Jürgen Ziewes first hand OBE accounts where Osama bin Laden & crew ends up in Ziewe, Vistas of Infinity. For some impressive pictures of the lovely crew of those realms: Ziewe, Elysium Unveiled: A Visual Odyssey of Life Eternal Luckily, it is only imagined/illusion. And not forever. But I guess that doesn't really help these poor (imagined) souls that are evaluating first hand what Spirit is capable of to get the lost sheep to repent & back on track towards home... Considering all of that, the famous statement "Although my view is higher than the sky, my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour" seems a good way the keep this dream (and the next) on the more comfy side. If one is so inclined... Hic sunt dracones. Selling views higher than the sky & respect for the cause and effect of actions by the River

David Spangler, Subtle Worlds - An Explorer's Field Notes. Chapter 8: Soul Jürgen Ziewe, Multidimensional Man. A Voyage of Discovery into the Heart of Creation. Chapter The final journey, 25th August 1980 Chris Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven. Chapter Reincarnation and the Soul and more on request. Soul. Imagined and appearing of course. Like everything else. Therefor, as real or unreal as anything else... Or, in other words, as real or unreal as ones car. Yet, a little more durable, like in... immortal, surviving death. From life to life, dream to dream. And more important. The epic game of forgetting and finding, played by Infinite Consciousness/Being/Reality... Souls... very much worth taking care of on this relative level of ours. Especially when venturing to far out realms, where no man has gone before.... hic sunt dracones. Selling Soul-Eddies in the Water by the River PS: And like Inliytened1 wrote above: A concept. From the perspective of Absolute Truth. Like every other manifestatation, as real or unreal as anything else. As long as this concept is not seen through, no realization of Absolute Reality. Yet, the (relative) concept 2+2=4 holds more (relative) truth than 2+2=5. Same with the concept soul: relative, appearing truth, not Absolute Truth. But since Absolute Truth contains Relative Truth, and as we all know, relative (un-) Truth can make a lot of trouble.... "Although my view is higher than the sky (Absolute Truth), my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour (relative truth)".

And "insane levels of consciousness" or "insigh" into what? Appearance/Form/Arisings IN Absolute Reality. N+1, evermore, forever. You never "arrive" somewhere (IT is infinite and Infinity). And while doing that and not being fully enlightened (or BEING Ones True Nature, Absolute Reality): Suffering in cycles. "I have never claimed that psychedelics result in the lack of suffering." But at least I got the message that the end of psychological suffering (or Full Enlightenment) was declared impossible, or at least as lower in value or priority (like in "spiritual summom bonum, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summum_bonum) to ever new and higher Awakenings. Please correct me if I got the wrong impression. Look, exploring Reality with ever new Awakenings: Wonderful, I am all for it! It is the future of Humanity, and you are a pioneer. There are literally endless dimensions to be explored. By the way, do you know the work of Jurgen Ziewe (longtime Out of body explorer, with legit Enlightenment experiences)? (http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Model_of_the_Multidimensional_Universe.html ; http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Higher_Mental_Planes_or_Heaven_Worlds.html ; http://www.multidimensionalman.com/Multidimensional-Man/Life_after_death_-_a_description_of_the_afterlife.html ) for example. I am sure you would love it. The only problem I see is giving that higher exploration of ever higher Awakenings n+1 more value/priority over stabilzing in ones True Being (Full Enlightenment). Because it will lead to more suffering for many, including you. That is as far as I can see that is pretty much the only point where we have different perspectives. And please take care that you dont take some demons/angels (sorry old fashioned wording from a few centuries ago) Aliens of the not so well meaning kind (Jaques Valle, Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers; Charles Upton, The Alien Disclosure Deception; Graham Hancock, Supernatural) back home from the exploration, and go really insane and not just a bit alien insane. And that is meant not ironically, but well meaning and respectfully. Hic sunt dracones. All the best for your future journey, and same for all forum participants. Really. Water by the River

Very true. Mayas legions. Well known in Vajrayana practice. And good luck seeing these dark forces as something merely appearing in oneself, when one is barely able to keep mindfulness in daily life... "Who are YOU in this vast multiverse, Mr. Strange?" That whole movie was inspired by the trips of the writers, especially this scene. Hic Sunt Dracones. That can eat an uprepared trippers mental sanity for breakfast. But Razard has already proposed watching Horror-movies with hard psychedelics, just for the fun of it. When asked by Breakingthewall which kind of stuff he tripped with not much came back... Selling Water by the River

Very wise answer, much smarter than yours truly. And actually true. frog pond plop - Basho Relative Pointers to the mountain summit, and the different lower peaks/ridges below it leading up there? Maybe a "climbing map" showing the safe way up there? To avoid the dragons/hic sunt dracones, and the paths leading back to the valley? Not today, darling. Selling Water by the River

Thank you. I hesitated to link that quote of approval Leo has given to the Supreme Source/Kulayarāja Tantra. Leo will probably never approve anything like that ever again. On the other side, considering the current trip and bashing since then, he wouldn't do anyway. But who knows... Lets see if some reasons come across for downplaying Full Enlightenment vs. "God-Realization" Leo-style. I just fear he is racking up lots of bad Karma. And at the end of the day every being just wants a happy & blissful life. Like every being, by definition. Everything else is fooling ourselves. And bad Karma can prevent that happy and blissful life . For him and his followers. Such is the Intelligence of the Universe and Maya. But the game/Lila needs its heroes. And there are also Tragic Heroes. And heroes go into dragon-land: Hic sunt dracones. Hic sunt Aliens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_hero Nothing new under the sun... Water by the River PS: Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour. – Padmasambhava “Guru Rinpoche”. That is the quote I orient my life on a relative level on. A deal with the Universe, so to say. And it has served me very very well. Like in "wouldn't have believed how well" 10 years ago, what can be possible. But that is another story I won't tell for the foreseeable future. Nobody, even the Enlightened Ones, are above the law of Karma. It is the nature of such a coherent dream/Universe of ours. Just the emotional/suffering severity of the impact varies. And the not stable enlightened ones, and not enlightened ones, are in the merciless claws of Samsara. And that is why the quote above is of paramount importance.

"Man, you, razard and others have been brainwashed, you have no idea what awakening is. no wonder leo doesn't come here anymore, he must be ashamed. You look like the founders of a sect." Well, despite all the awesome stuff in many videos, there was a turn taken in the wrong direction some time ago... Solipsism & Infinity of Gods.... And the sad thing is: How much more obvious could it get than with our Gladiator here, busy chopping the Non-Believers.... Just to make it clear: Our founder is definitely not the gentlemen described in the song below. But the "guy" of the song (or rather: a lady named Maya) needs to be taken very very seriously. Her game is the most brilliant game of all in the whole Universe, the illusion of the separate self. Her game is largely based on narcicissm, self-importance and ego-inflation. By definition! How else keep the separate-self-illusion going? "Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game" Literally! And if one goes tripping: Hic sunt dracones. Very real ones... Mayas Legions... Promising the separate self to be God. The Illusion is seen as God. Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste I've been around for a long, long years Stole million man's soul an faith And I was 'round when Jesus Christ Had his moment of doubt and pain Made damn sure that Pilate Washed his hands and sealed his fate Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game Stuck around St. Petersburg When I saw it was a time for a change Killed Tsar and his ministers Anastasia screamed in vain I rode a tank Held a general's rank When the blitzkrieg raged And the bodies stank Pleased to meet you Hope you guess my name, oh yeah Ah, what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah I watched with glee While your kings and queens Fought for ten decades For the gods they made I shouted out Who killed the Kennedys? When after all It was you and me Let me please introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste And I laid traps for troubadours Who get killed before they reached Bombay Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah But what's confusing you Is just the nature of my game Just as every cop is a criminal And all the sinners saints As heads is tails Just call me Lucifer 'Cause I'm in need of some restraint So if you meet me Have some courtesy Have some sympathy, and some taste Use all your well-learned politnesse Or I'll lay your soul to waste, mm yeah Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, mm yeah But what's puzzling you Is the nature of my game, mm mean it, get down Woo, who Oh yeah, get on down Oh yeah Aah yeah Tell me baby, what's my name? Tell me honey, can ya guess my name? Tell me baby, what's my name? I tell you one time, you're to blame What's my name Tell me, baby, what's my name? Tell me, sweetie, what's my name? Bon Voyage & take care! Water by the River

For the topic of Salvijus and Breakingthewall: Causal States vs. states of void/formlessness and totality of manifestation (Whiteout,Infinity) at any time (low causal). Yours truly is a bit an "Integration aficionado" of different systems, just to get to the deep structures of the different paths up the mountain. Wilbers High Causal is the Abyss of Absolute Nothingness, Cessation, Nirvikalpa. The passing of that often enough opens the door for getting empty enough to maintain constant Nondual Realization in daily life. Or to directly intuit the essence of any manifestation, Nothingness, Infinite Reality. Wilbers Low Causal: The Totality of manifestation (Whiteout,Infinity) at any time (low causal). @Breakingthewall, what the void-state that you describe is I can't tell based just based on your description. It doesn't sound like a black-out like Cessation, doesn't have its effects, and doesn't fit the ladder described above. But the pool of causal states is wide... Descriptions of cessation one can find at Ingram, Thisdell and Frank Yang. Wilber also describes the Whiteout somewhere else, but I don't have that in my files/notes. Here are some quotes and perspectives from Ken Wilbers system on the topic. Wilber normally provides a very good Ontology. Maybe you find that interesting. My personal perspective is on one of my last posts on causal states, which I don't want to repeat here. Excerpt 1: And from Wilber - Sex,Ecology, Spirituality: And what is also very useful: Wilber, Waves, streams, states, and self: An outline of an integral psychology. And Wilber, Religion of the Future. And what both of you probably will really like is Halaw, God is Nothingness, and Wolinsky, "The End of the Game - Deconstructing the Portals to the Absolute". On both books I have written something in this thread: The High Causal States are always easy to spot in descriptions. Passing through these fully empty and impersonal states is in many systems the opening gate to entering the stages Nondual Realization, because states are known where the separate self and any form of Duality just is not. The Nondual Realization/Full Enlightenment (NOT only the Unity with the Visual Field), but also the Impersonal Emptiness of the High Causal States integrated are also easy to spot in any description/system We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all. Kalu Rinpoche Anything from subtle states to low causal states can be quite a Jungle in systems/descriptions which is to be expected, because here the infinite manifestation begins. not only the dimensions/realties experienced can vary, but the interpretation varies with the conceptual system the subject travels... And: Hic sunt dracones Aliens Maybe that is interesting & useful for you. Wilbers ontological system worked very well for me to orient myself in often very differing systems/descriptions. See for example Lex Hixon, Coming Home. The Experience of Enlightenment in Sacred Traditions. The variety of the description of paths and states is vast, and the universal deep structures often hard to spot. Selling Water by the River

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_7:16 ... just kidding Leos Teachings hold a lot of potential, and my guess is that soon as they evolve over the Solipsistic/Infinity of Gods - phase (please excuse my humble opinion), and no longer confuse a not-so-empty God-(separate)-self with the Absolute Emptiness of the Absolute/Reality, or the Absolute Empty Abyss of Nothingness of Impersonal Consciousness, the "fruits" (Matthew 7:16) will also be marvelous. I guess there is quite a high chance that that will happen. He is smart and diligent, and has published some awesome videos on bias and self-deception and the like, not to speak of all the other videos which contain really some great stuff. But in this Lila nothing is predetermined or certain. So, as always: Enjoy the show, and Bon voyage! As soon as every little subtle remaining -separate-self-arising/lense/bias/awareness of emptiness/awareness of being/awareness of being God or Reality or Alien or whatever, anything at all/awareness of being anything- is transcended/seen&let go/subject made object/ burned and is no longer colouring the experience of Infinite Reality or True Identity of Impersonal Infinite Consciousness, then "burned by the everburning flame of ones own primordial nature —all ego-consciousness, all delusive feelings and thoughts and perceptions will perish with your ego-root and the true source of your Self-nature will appear. You will feel resurrected, all sickness having completely vanished, and will experience genuine peace and joy. You will be entirely free." - first part yours truly, second part in quotation marks by Bassui (also below). I wish him exactly this genuine peace and joy permanently in daily life that comes along the permanent realization/waking up. Then one is the whole Enchilada, watching itself, being absolutely Nothing(ness)..... and Nothingness never has a problem, only can contain them... moving around in itself like mosquitoes, but then of the slow flying version, easy to splat/transcend/cutoff. Sorry, probably not a Boddhisattva-style metaphor. More on the mosquitoes see below: So, it seems, until then: With every heroic pioneering effort, there is certain danger. Hic sunt dracones! https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hic_sunt_dracones Water by the River PS: The full quote, from Three Pillars of Zen, Kapleau: Bassui: If you push forward with your last ounce of strength at the very point where the path of your thinking has been blocked, and then, completely stymied, leap with hands high in the air into the tremendous abyss of fire confronting you—into the ever-burning flame of your own primordial nature—all ego-consciousness, all delusive feelings and thoughts and perceptions will perish with your ego-root and the true source of your Self-nature will appear. You will feel resurrected, all sickness having completely vanished, and will experience genuine peace and joy. You will be entirely free. For the first time you will realize that walking on water is like walking on ground and walking on ground like walking on water; that all day long there is speaking, yet no word is ever spoken; that throughout the day there is walking, yet no step is ever taken; that while the clouds are rising over the southern mountains their rain is falling over the northern range; that when the lecture gong is struck in China the lecture begins in Korea; that sitting alone in a ten-foot-square room you meet all the Buddhas of the ten quarters; that without seeing a word you read the more than seven thousand volumes of the sutras; that though you acquire all the merits and virtues of good actions, yet in fact there are none. PSPS: The rest of the Mosquito metaphor: .... And by the way, what one thinks what one is if one thinks oneself to be still anything at all: These are the mosquitos/separate-self-arisings (I-thoughts and I-feelings)/lenses/localizations, buzzing around in True You (the Totality), endlessly annoying, but making the hell of a show.... If they are too fast emerging/moving for oneself to easily squat them all at ones own convinience (genereally, keep the useful ones (the functional character) buzzing, squat the rest, the ones with "suffering" painted on them), then there is meditation/transcedence work to do. The meditation/Transcedence gets the bliss flowing by the way, which is like some smoke that slows down the moskitos, makes them easy to squat/transcend.