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  1. This channel is hilarious
  2. I know to bear in mind that there are different lines of development which can be independent of each other to a degree (e.g. blue in one line but yellow in the other line). I don't know what lines to draw, and I've also (forgotten)/(can't find) a list Leo has made of the different lines of development. Whilst your stage and your "level of consciousness"(assume it exists hypothetically) are "independent phenomena" (as in the two measurements of your position in both things can be different from one another), there is definitely a link between the two. Some lines of development in SD (a mystical line?) seem to directly correspond/(highly correlate) to non-duality and enlightenment at their core. But yeah I can't tell really assess other peoples positions in this model. Because so much variation is accounted for in each stage, descriptions I've heard are abstract and I don't get it. What has confused me the most is how people describe and talk about green (probably because the orange-green conflict in society is projected onto this forum). I feel like I have *some* idea/feeling of green but its not very clear. There is neurodiversity inherent to humans, and I'm not sure how the development of all forms of neurodiveristy maps onto spiral dynamics. For example, consider people who's psychological traits are almost trending towards being "autistic". Because I don't have a clear and precise understanding of green outside of an abstract understanding alongside some stereotypical examples, hence I find it hard to imagine what it means for neurodiversity to go up the spiral. I have the feeling that I'm at least partially green. And I think part of what has motivated me to ask this question is just that I don't where I lie scientifically on different bell curves of different psychological traits (If anyone is confused from this sentence, I don't have the specifics of how you segment psychology into different traits and how you measure them, but imagine they exist for the sake of my point). I'm sort of autistic but don't meet many of the criteria. And so I'm in this weird limbo of having no medical identity or theory to make sense of myself. All I know is that I am different. Should I read the Spiral Dynamics book by Don Beck & Christopher Cowan? Or the religion of tomorrow by Ken Wilber? Or a different book?
  3. Distilled water boyssssss
  4. @Serotoninluv When it comes to reading about people describe tier 3, I'll just read it and see what I can take away from it in regards to actuality. Regardless of what conceptual landscape I build about what I read , I need to keep focused on the actuality and direct experience of it all (ie not worrying about whether this thing or that thing is "tier 3") Interesting what you say about tier 3 descriptions you've read. On a tangent, I always end up getting confused when I listen to Leo. On the one hand he speaks about the importance of not conceptualising and not confusing symbols with actuality, but on the other hand he talks about the importance of books and theory. But I know that actuality and direct experience is thing to keep my focus on.
  5. @ValiantSalvatore I've got the book now, it seems like a doozy. Indigo, violet, ultraviolet, white. The book is extremely thick, I hope being a slow reader isn't an issue. I like books where the thoughts of the author are concisely crystallised, could just be Ken has a lot to say. I'm just thinking what the hell, turquoise has always been my goal. How is there a third tier. I'm confused lmao. Here I am thinking about orange aspects of myself (although I'm probs yellow in some ways) , only to hear there are 7 stages after that. Maybe this is just the natural shock I get from clinging to spiral dynamics. I guess one way to make sense of it might be to give people more credit with where they are along this spiral, but who knows. Or maybe Ken just has a vastly different model to the one I had in my mind (different even in the areas where both models talk about the same thing) . Or maybe I traced the right idea of psychological development but I lack the discernibility (imagine everyones awareness being microscopes of different resolution) in my experience to make further conceptual distinctions. I'll see what I think after reading it.
  6. @ValiantSalvatore Thanks for the large elaboration. I think im going to read the religion of tomorrow. It seems to have a lot of breadth. @Leo Gura How green is my shadow, how green is my food (vegetables change the color of poop) or maybe how green is my waste in the planet. @remember I get the picture you're trying to paint. On a tangent, I get the impression that some people are in love with the abstract idea of purple but aren't actually in love with the reality of pure purple (e.g. The murder, rape, tribalism and suffering). @bejapuskas yes, you're right.
  7. @ValiantSalvatore I know Ken Wilber has written multiple books. In your view, is all the detailed and necessary information about integral theory contained in The Religion of Tomorrow, or do I have to read his "Integral Psychology" book? I'm not put off by difficulty of book, if that's a factor you're thinking of. I've already been exposed to Spiral Dynamics and have thought about it a bit, as you know. @peqkno Thanks for the green resources man. I've got a book by Michel Foucault I want to read, Discipline and Punish.
  8. @CreamCat Nice descriptions there, thanks
  9. @Leo Gura If someone embodies love fully (as full as is humanly possible), will they become all lovey-dovey? And is becoming conscious of love to be equated to empathy in any way? How does compassion, empathy and etc fit in with (embodying)/(becoming conscious of) love?

  10. lmfao replied to lmfao's topic in Self-Actualization Journals

    Friday 23/08/2019 Awareness is the strangest thing. The moment one is aware of the compulsive behaviour you are doing, the compulsive behaviour is already gone. And then the question which simultaneously arises as awareness silences the brain and you enter the present moment is, who is it that it was aware. None of this makes any sense. There is an ego, there is no ego. There is duality, there is no duality. There is form, there is no form. Suffering exists, suffering doesn't exist. There is flux, there is no flux. What is this strange switcheroo of reality? I've recently felt some of my raw negativity come to the surface after meditating. My brain is just a whirling tornado really. Purification should happen. Theres this sense of strain, that I'm this constant/separate self/ego trying to stay on my feet in a world where I am being battered by the hardships and flux of life. But then all of this strain is an illusion? So there was never a problem to begin with? How strange.
  11. @Leo Gura If all there exists is perception and experience, then in what sense is it meaningful for you to use the concept of "why" and claim that there is a "why" to existence? Supposing reality is love, do you say that there is a "why" as to why reality is love?

  12. how to decrease neuroticism

    lmfao replied to Mezanti's topic in Personal Development -- [Main]

    @Mezanti yoga, meditation, self inquiry, psychedelics, therapy, exercise, spending time outdoors.
  13. Yeah, the whole with religion thing is too true. Reminds me of the problem of authority really. If we say that authority and hierarchy really do exist in the stage blue sense of things, then who is to teach the teachers? And then who will teach the people who teach the teachers? It goes on indefinitely. I suppose there exists democracies with the idea that there is no ultimate authority, there's just a network which has the input of many different organisms/things.

  14. lmfao replied to lmfao's topic in Self-Actualization Journals

    Wednesday 21/08/2019 I ended up eating a bunch of cookies today with milk, I probably consumed around 800 calories. I decided I would look at myself mindfully during the process, to see why I find tasty food addictive. I can't really figure it out. The sensations of the process aren't actually all that enjoyable, yet I felt an urge to indulge anyway. This applies to all addictive behaviours really. I use them to escape not feeling bad but then I can't even put on my fingers on what is "good" about these sensations. Masturbating feels good but I don't know why. Anxiety feels bad but I don't know why. I'm just trying to see whether there is some intrinsic quality about sensations causing pleasure and sensations causing suffering. Taking the "suffering is a thought" view for now. I can't tell if the only thing to find out is that my "negative thoughts" have their existence correlated with the existence of certain sensations for unknown reasons, or whether there's something deeper than just a correlation between two simultaneous happenings. There's this annoying catch 22 that its almost impossible to observe yourself being unconscious because to observe yourself being unconscious requires that you be conscious and hence not unconscious. It's clear that one of the other only alternatives is to forcefully stop an addiction and my internal system will be so disrupted that a shift in consciousness in perspective will happen. But I can't do that, it's too hard.
  15. @Leo Gura Regardless of whether it is the truth or not, since your response to many things people on this forum say is "You're not conscious enough to realise this" then lots of people including myself are going to have their ego triggered. Because what you're saying is an attack on the person, even though you may be speaking the truth in what you say. For most topics other than spirituality, or in real life, this sort of response isn't typical of what one would find acceptable in normal life since we're always trying to have an exchange of concepts without thinking about things like level of consciousness. And although this response of yours "You're not conscious enough" may be true a lot of the time when you say it is, a situation where you are not open to the feedback of others has been created. I'm not saying you are right or wrong, just that this is how the situation is. This is just an inevitable part of this work is seems, being unable to respond to people in ways they will accept.

  16. No advanced growth possible without psychedelics

    lmfao replied to Meditationdude's topic in Psychedelics

  17. Jiddu is a sage. His life story is quite rough as well. He's quite a funny/interesting guy with his approach. His teaching is something people would probably call "masculine".
  18. Yeah it is. It's been updated twice in the time I've had it.
  19. Before donating money for nothing, buy his booklist.
  20. @hamedsf yeah
  21. I'm just thinking, which psychologists or what books have the best writings for deep psychology. Is Carl Jung the answer? I was recently thinking about shadow work, and I know of the book Shadow Dance. It recently came to my attention how strange/weird it is that I have this deep-rooted shame/guilt that I don't know very well. I have some things in the recesses of my mind which are hidden away. I don't know how to look my past in the eye without feeling as though I'm a puppet to unconscious forces.
  22. Here's a good meme for you on these epic modern day intellectuals on the right hand side.
  23. @mmKay Upon the arrival of self conciousness, our intelligence increased and we became aware of concepts such as the future and time. But for many of us, our own intelligence has turned against us. For what use is planning for the future and remembering the past if it leaves us unable to fully in the present? An animal doesn't worry about such things, it can live fully in the now.
  24. @Leo Gura Why do you make all these long videos and make so many concepts? Any sort of mystical state I've arrived at is by "seeing through" thoughts and abandoning dualistic labels. The more clarity you have about reality, the less you think you can talk about it, is my experience. Yet it is that you use words like God and love all the time. How are you not deceiving yourself by constantly using these words all the time? You look as though you're in another trap.
  25. If there were gurus who were spitiually talented, I think J. Krishnamurti would be one. He makes the process of becoming aware sound so simple and easy. I get the sense he hasn't had to work extremely hard as some other masters/gurus. I could be wrong. I found his way of talking strange sometimes, I find it dry. Perhaps he could just be very masculine. I'm in love the way both he and Alan Watts talk about time. Looking at the illusion of time has always been amazing to me. I don't know what time is, how it is flux could exist if time doesn't exist. I don't know whether flux even exists.