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Here we are taking about observing the reality of illusion. Before there is proceeding towards Truth, reality (res.) or “things” (of mind/thought), must be observed/understood...As in sensation, reactions to sensations, the responding of sensations as an idea, which are created by thought. Can one investigate whether there is Truth or Not without understanding that which is, or which causes illusion? If not, won’t such illusions corrupt/distort the investigation...We are starting nearer to home friends. Can’t go beyond that which one hasn’t yet begun.?

@B_Naz hope it gave you something to explore. Book of the self is very interesting.

What does the absolute infinity require from us?.... To stay out of the way

This is a great question indeed.... This may be difficult to see without holistic insight/perception into the whole of “the self”-thought, but it’s quite interesting indeed. Believing there is a path to which “I will arrive”. Is this a subtle form of nourishing the illusion of psychological becoming in time? Can one find out the common denominator of this pursuit of paths to truth?? Could this search indicate the dependence on a path is actually the search to capture that which is inherently impermanent, which is psychological permanence?.. The means (the accumulation of knowledge, experience, memory), and the response-application of thought, (content-guidance), in the form of practices, routines, systems that pursues the goal,(truth). Is it possible that the utilization of the means, (content-guidance-path), actually nourishes the continuity of self(psychological time)? The means, implying the goal (truth), is fixed, and therefore something that is dead,static? IS TRUTH STATIC, OR IS TRUTH DYNAMIC?? Is the accumulation-conformity too, and application of that content-guidance/path, with all its implications, actually one and the same movement? Does this imply that the content-guidance/path, to truth becomes merely “the selfs” invention, (i.e. self preservation of the i)? Is the means content-guidance/path, (accumulated experience, knowledge, memory), one and the same movement of “the i” that has then pre-supposed and constructed its own idea of truth in which is to fulfill ones own self fulfilling prophecy? Doesn’t thought love to predict and forecast-project? Could there be any significance in this??? Do (tools- a path) establish/pre-assume the goal/truth, therefore bringing about a truth that is merely an invention of the self? Does not this imply the cultivation-process of its own self feeding loop? Is the means-(path) actually different from the destination? In this case, doesn’t the means project its own inevitable outcome? Perhaps the self/ego and its accumulation, and the application of those means-(content-guidance-path), in which that means projects its own personalized destination(TRUTH), is one and the same movement of “self” perpetuation...an example of (time-thought trying to escape time-thought by the employing time-thought as a means).. Is this movement of cultivation of time as the i actually nourishing the illusion of self, and creating its own version of TRUTH? Again, is the means (path), and the i, one and the same movement of the self seeking psychological security in its own movement? Could this be an example of an illusion seeking security in the very mechanism that has validated the false sense of that illusion, which is “the self”? Interesting Questions to anyone interested

That answer can be found in the problem (the book of the self).. attention inward, which eventually we see as also the outward?

Yes.. books have there place for practical-functional matters, but when they are depended on for psychological/spiritual freedom we have then sought psychological security in thought. To feed the loop psychological time.

Indeed. It is pressed upon people as youngsters that all answers to all problems can be found in books. Cultural conditioning keeps this pattern alive. Maybe by bringing this to light that conditioned pattern will change.

I Don’t see it as growth, and wouldn’t call a glimpse of anything that significant. What’s special-sacred is the continuous (daily) harmony of infinite intelligence(headlessness). I’m not sure about the color schemes of S. dynamics though. But turquoise is a beautiful color indeed.

Indeed. But i wouldn’t use the word focus. I would use attention/awareness.

Perhaps when man saw “himself” as distinct from “his” desires then came the illusory conflict/corruption of psychological time. “The i” began to see itself independent of thought and sought psychological security in thought(itself).

One question one might want to go into is, does one have anything to do with this action of insight/intuition? Is it something to be channeled, harnessed, exploited, or cultivated?

Pursuit born of action-reaction. Can there be freedom without this conditioned response of action-reaction first?

Indeed this is the recurring movement pattern of the self. Both sides of the coin being positive & negative movement of the i. Fear in pursuit of something in time, there inevitably follows this judgment and pride. Pride and judgement one and the same movement of fear in resistance to itself as the fact.

Just like in the application of building we utilize the abstraction(idea), (thought), and we pursue that idea to bring about the construction of that building. We go from A (open land), to B (a constructed building). A movement from A to B which involves the application of cultivated thought, and (time), from this, to that. We go from the fact (nothing or open land), and in accordance to that abstraction we get the end result, (new building). We move from the fact to abstraction which is to apply thought in a practical and functional way. This is using thought as a tool. Totally necessary indeed. The problem is somewhere along the line we started to move in accordance to that same pattern of thought psychologically as we didn’t see that the psychological me was illusionary. We continue that same movement of A to B, (I am this, I will be that). An example, say I am jealous,(fact), and I will pursue non-jealousy, (abstraction-idea). We evade the fact of jealousy to the abstraction of its opposite, non-jealousy. This is what thought-self does; it chooses between, and is always moving in a particular direction. I refer to this as positively-negative movement of the self-thought. Example an using A-B-C would be, B is the fact, and the self-thought either wants to move positively to C, or negatively to A, both being the abstraction born of choice as the chooser(self). Thought does not like to stay with what-is, snd to maintain its own continuity,(self feeding loop), it will evade the fact of what-is, to the abstraction-idea of what should be. The thing is if I am jealous as a fact, can that fact end itself by escaping that fact to an idea? If I am jealous, and conform to the idea on non-jealously, is there actually an end to jealousy? Or does that jealousy continue as fact and I simply continue to contradict myself and remain in denial of that actuality. Illusion of seeking psychological security. Therefore I am projecting an image through thought, and have created an escape from the fact. Thought has constructed a means of escape from what is. Thought always wants to escape to secure its own movement. Thought is the ultimate escape artist...To maintain its permanence the illusion of psychological time. If there is no entity separate from thought itself, then why is that “entity” seeking psychological security in itself, thought(abstraction)? Are you seeing the significance of this? The self, being a fragment of thought, but thinking it is independent of thought, is seeking security in itself to nourishes that illusion. Another example... An “individual” who suffers wants to figure out how to kill “the self”. They will continually accumulate ideas, theory’s, concepts, conform to routines and try to apply all that as a means of ego destruction. This again, is another attempt of the illusion of self perpetuating its own movement by evading the fact and pursuing the abstraction. The self (thought), seeking security in thought. The self and all its movement to accumulate knowledge/practices and apply all of that as a means, is all one and the same movement of self-thought feeding itself very subtly. Any movement of the self-thought to conform too and apply its accumulated (experience, knowledge, through memory), is all one and the same movement of the illusory “self” feeding its own movement of time as the i. This is the self trying to end itself by using its own movement to do so. Again, thought-self, (illusion) will escape the fact (fear), and seek psychological security in the abstraction. Movement from A TO B. Thought does not like to just stay with A. Thought-self is very tricky and tells itself I wants to get to B, but doesn’t see that by doing so it is nourishing it’s own movement of psychological time(fragmentation). The self supposedly wants to kill itself, but instead staying with A, (the fact), it mechanically(out of fear), moves towards B, the idea. Sorry to carry on and on, but this can be very subtle. I hope it gave you some idea about the sneaky nature of thought-self and its (contradictory-dualistic) movement that sustains this endless self feeding loop.

I will try and explain a tittle. I only have a few minutes to be on here. I will do my best to communicate it within the quick time frame. Give me a few minutes.

Well, it doesn’t need a name. It’s all within oneself..To observe what-is without evasion to what should-be. The contradiction-limitation of escaping the fact to the abstraction. Movement of fragmentation(psychological time). Some have found FREEDOM without ever searching for it. Without accumulating any knowledge, or routines. As for me one day I saw the futility in escape from the the fact, (fear). Fact of fear perpetually evading it’s own movement and feeding that very movement itself. I saw that the more “I” ran away from the fact of insecurity in search of the abstraction of security, the more I nourished that fact of insecurity. This can happen to anyone, they just have to see the whole of this movement of thought-self and its very very sneaky ways It takes a willingness to step off the cliff, and let go of the illusion of control??

@cetus56 could we even call it B-pow?? Hents...Buddha connection. Is it mine, K’s, Buddha’s, or perhaps a someone pre-Buddha ?? Or can we say it’s no-ones(time)? ?

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This simply takes observation of what is actually happening..that’s it.

Well, It’s not “mine”, or “yours”, it’s “the self”. It’s not a process to be conformed in accordance too. I think of it as using No Way as way. Meaning...do not presuppose a way; method, technique, system, as to presuppose implies the divisive movement of fragmentation. I see “NO WAY AS WAY”, (Mirror of limitation), as a rather suitable-fitting name or title. This is Not something one uses to get from point A to point B, but instead to understand the futility in moving within that limitation of time(psychological becoming). It is simply a reflection of limitation-contradiction itself. To understand the whole of limitation. To understand limitation holistically is in itself the birth of unlimited action. Infinite action, (intelligent action). A CESSATION OF INCOMPLETE-LIMITED ACTION THAT FEEDS THE LOOP OF “the self”.

Name?? Uhhh...My pets don’t even have names, friend?

Awareness is freedom.

Indeed. “The self” inherently moves positively-negatively or sustains its own movement by evading (what is) to (what should be-abstraction). Psychological time, or (psychological becoming), contributes to the self feeding loop of time as “the i”.

No more psychological dependence on authority of any kind is freedom.

?indeed. All for the best. Less fear sustained in consciousness. Ah yes, the mind and its movement towards abstraction..Well said.