Faceless

Action influenced by the false notion of an i seeking permanence.

Why do we we seek? Is it to escape what is?

Just communicating. Lol Clinging implies fear mr.joseph one and the same movement to bring about psychological permanence.

Did you seek out enlightenment, god, truth?

all conceptual systems, ego, belief, epistemology, and so on is all the product of thought.

Indeed, any movement away from what is (fact) is a movement of fear. Which implies the i ultimately sees itself as a real entity who is independent of thought.

Do you, or did you, seek enlightenment?

Fact indeed. Thought is not seeking security in that insight any longer. Thought is then whole. Not influenced by fear. Thought believes because it seeks security. So then comes illusion.

So you mean Thought. The Mechanical and Fragmentated nature of thought.

@metwinn You said mr.

What do you mean with an ego?

You don’t have to believe that. It’s green. It’s a relative fact. The sun comes out every day. No belief required. I’m talking about the believe that we seek psychological security i. Santa clause, that we will go to heaven by accepting Jesus into our hearts. Lol Psychological becoming or unbecoming.

But is that my conceptual understanding, or just “conceptual understanding” as in thought. Ate your thoughts, “conceptual understandings” yours?

? psychological security indeed

I know, but we just have to agree on word meanings and usage. People may use words differently.

Why does one believe?

We just need to come to an agreement about word usage. We could use the word turkeypoo as long as we agree what it’s being used for lol

Belief implies fear. There is no fear here. There is no thought psychologically. Thought is a tool, when that tool is not in use, there is no thought.

This has been my way the whole time mr. Joseph. This is why i say talk relatively. In regards to thought. That which thought can touch upon

So when you say existential truth you mean you are truth pointing at be’ing ?

I neither believe or disbelieve. As that is all within the limits of thought.

Relatively there are conditions (physical-and with thought obviously) interdependence yes....but we are speaking psychologically. Or so I am lol

Thought cannot know truth. Truth is unknowable. Right. So what are you aware of when you say awareness between “thought-stories” and existential truth? How are you (thought) aware of truth? Or are you simply aware that truth cannot be known by thought?

I’m sorry, I didn’t see this. So truth is beyond thought, right?

No. What is existential truth? What does that imply? Where did you get that term?