Faceless

An appearence is an impression. A representation of an external form. A production of thought.

Mindfulness or mindlessness? Which one seems more accurate? Lol

Thought can never know everything, that’s the point. If thought is limited which it is how can thought capture what is limitless? There’s nothing “wrong” with trying to know everything persay, but there’s just more significance to “Know” that we cannot. Trying to know everything is an idication that the one trying know everything doesn’t understand there limitations. And if we don’t understand our limitations do we really understand oursleves? Lol..I do enjoy discussing this stuff with u guys though. Thanks ??

Doesn’t anyone value the significance of a quiet mind? I do. I realize that all I need to learn and understand is myself/thought. In this understanding the mind becomes quiet. A good question to ask oneself is why do we need to know everything? What is the motive behind this? I aprreciate not knowing everything. What do u guys think?

I see what’s being said here Leo. And this is grasped once the ego which is thought are grasped in there true nature. But this word reality I see as being a process of an interpretation through thought projected as the absolute. What ever is influenced by thought becomes a reality. So in this case these theory’s, concepts, presumptions, dispositions are a reality. They are realities in there process but they are false realities. I think you are speaking of truth or what is true when you use this word reality. What is so without the interpretation of thought/knowledge/time. Does this make sense? I think I know what u are implying though. And I’m with u on this observation. It’s very important that this is communicated because these false truths can be very destructive in what and how we view life in its meaning. What we value or hold as significant is determined by what dispositions are conditioned by our sub cultures and society. If we see the structure and substance of these dispositions in there true nature these false realities wouldn’t influence our view of true meaning. We would see that reality is only a perseption limited by our finite capacity to understand the whole. To see that every theory, concept, presupposition, premise, are only speculation in the attempt to capture what is immeasurable or immense is quite a beautiful thing. Most would be frightened of this and are. That’s why we hold to these assumptions. They offer us a sense of security and safety. Comfort in the idea that one day we will be able to control our environment. But the fact is we are our environment. We are our environment trying to explain itself.. But to me personally I think it’s a beautiful thing to know that there is much more to exsitense than these extremely limited points of view.

Yeah even science is limited in its nature because it is broken into fragments. This is how thought/knowledge works. It focuses on particular points of a whole, not on the whole itself. Thought/knowledge can never capture the whole. The more we use thought/knowledge the more concentrated and narrow our investigation becomes. To get the most out of science we need to understand the limited nature of thought and knowledge. To be able to see the fact that theory’s are extremely partial, limited, a type of attempt to capture the whole. For example, this is similar to the fact that the word is never the thing in which it is pointing to. It’s only an attempt to capture and explain what is being described. It becomes a reality “fragmented” because thought makes it so, but it’s never “whole”or Truth in the deepest sense because Truth is beyond the realm of subjectivity.

Feeling anxious?

As Pluto said trust, honesty, and active communication are key. The only way to actually trust another is to trust ourselves. The only way to be honest with another is to be honest with oursleves. And the only way to communicate with another is to listen without the images we have projected about them. This seems rather rational does it not?

The capacity to not hold an image about oneself and another would be most important. If there is an image there is no relationship between people. There is only relationship of images.

Donald Trump? Who is that?

I guess we would have to be clear on what meditetion is before a recommendation was accepted and utilized. There’s different types of meditation practices that have been popularized over the years. Are these methods an escape from the monotonous daily grind? Are they movements of concentrated thought? It seems like from what I have seen this is the case. These methods seem to be in the realm of thought. Mechanical, fragmented, measurable. Doesnt meditation as it is generally applied imply controlling thought? Is this meditation? What do u guys think?

We should probably be clear on what we mean by meditation considering that opinions vary on this subject. Maybe the person we say that to doesn’t know what that is. Maybe the person recommending doesn’t either.

What is Meditation? What does it imply?

Ah yes.. Pluto has got the right idea. If your going to do something don’t do it just because it’s good for u. Do it because u enjoy it and it just so happens to be good for u. And when doing something like yoga and similar exercises don’t make a chore out of it. Those kinds of activities are a great way to enjoy the art of no mind.

What is thought? In this understanding and seeing maybe we can find out what is not of thought. Make sense? This is very important for those who really want to live a holy life. To have a quiet mind. To not be dominated by the fragmented mechanicalization of thought/ego. This takes more than someone else’s conviction. To accept in this case implies to conform to an authority. This is something we must learn ourselves. Good luck friends

Just investigate what anxiety is. What is the driving force or root. Where does this movment of thought come from? Could it be desire? Who or what is the entity that is anxious? Is this feeling of anxiousness a symptom of thought that is a direct expression of an impression or expectation of what we think should be? Maybe a good start is realizing that thought is the cause of anxiety. It has been said that nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. Who ever said this was on to something.

Acceptance of what is. This is the acceptance I meant. To not escape to what should be. Is it possible to remain with what is? And in that staying with the fact without the intention of escaping, can conflict or discord cease? Conflict is inevitable due to usage of thought within the psychological realm. We must accept that thought in the direction of the psyche produces this conflict, but we don’t have to accept our reactions to the never ending process of conflict. If we learn/see how conflict in its nature and structure comes about and moves in action can’t we prevent unconscious reactions from catalyzing? Isn’t this the art of inquiring?

Isn’t conflict a manifestation of the center. The “me” trying to improve myself. Isn’t this a movment in time/thought/knowledge? Time being I am this but I want to become that. Time is a movment of thought. We escape from what is to what should be which becomes a state of confliction. Also isn’t the fact that there is a division made by thought that the self is seperate from the thoughts themselves a direct cause of conflict? Where there is division conflict is inevitable. So are we aware that this separation is a self projection created by the thought itself? Ego, thought, Knowledge, time, are not seperate. This is the “me” “you”...Without this realization conflict is eternal.

Willpower in a particular direction with a motive to alleviate suffering will further intensify any conflict, contradiction, and amplify psychological suffering. Willpower implys control, suppression, or to cover or escape the problem by a movment of concentratration. In this case to escape from the fact ”what is” because the pain and sorrow is unbearable. In this escape we seek any way possible to gain a sense security from the reaction to that fact. This movment is a manifestation of the ego “thought”, to protect. What we do is avoid the problem because the pain and sorrow is to much. So we try to control what we think about to prevent that particular thought from reacuring...Through this movment of thought there is also an imposition to begin the process of introspection. The problem with this is thoughts in there very nature are the entity trying to impose this concentrated attempt to alleviate suffering with willpower. How can willpower be used to suppress impulses and thoughts that cause suffering when the entity that suffers is those very thoughts? Willpower used in the psychological realm seems to be a never ending battle to get through conflict and suffering. Instead of trying to control, suppress, inhibit, our impulses, thoughts, and feelings, maybe we should use the art of attentiveness rather than concentration. To simply watch and learn the total movment of thought “The ME”. Not escape the pain, but watch it. If we are our thoughts doesn’t this imply that the controller is the controlled? And if this is the case what option is there to be free of this suffering if that is part of what we are? Should we control, escape, and never see or learn this movement as a whole from the beginning to end? Or should we simply watch this movment of suffering objectively without escaping? Through objective observation maybe we will see that when the observer is the observed there is nothing we can do but watch anyway.

Unless there is something physically wrong with the brain couldn’t mental health problems be a consequence of core values? Values being what we hold important, significant, based off what disposition we have that is influinced by our sub culture. Our beliefs, convictions, theory’s, and conclusions. Doesn’t a mental health problem imply confusion, conflict, and contradiction on how we view ourselves, others, and the world? Seems reasonable that mental health problems are the reflection of our dispositions. Why do we hold these values? This is worth investigating honestly isn’t it? If these values are passed down through knowledge and we accept them without questioning them objectively, this may be a red flag and the reason for this contradiction. Isnt it our responsibility to inquire into ourselves? Isnt it irresponsible to accept values passed down through knowledge without investigation of there nature and composition? Are our core values when not inquired into diligently and honestly the reasons why there is so much mental health problems?

Cool... yeah I have had similar experiences like that. Lately I don’t even dream at all. Maybe such states of sleep could be an extension of how we live day to day. Anyway that sounds rather nice??

Is reality a manifestation of thoughts? Isn’t reality the evaluation and dissection of an observational experience? We see the actuality of a fact, “A truth”, then from that impression there is a reflection. This reflection of the actuality being our interpretation of that fact becomes distorted by the limited nature of thought. Is this the nature of reality? Anything of recollection and anything produced and added to by the faculty of thinking. Is reality different from truth?

We are the world. What ever state we are in inwardly will project outward into the society. We can’t change society from a divisive standpoint. We are society so that implies we have to inquire into ourselves rigorously. If we can live psychologically healthy lives with the capacity to maintain a quiet orderly mind this will extend outward into society. Society as it is now is a reflection of each an every one of us. Its an obvious fact that we are responsible for this society. And if we are responsible for this reality in which we have created, doesn’t this imply that we can change it? The question is do we really want to. Can we change this reality if we don’t claim responsibility for it?

The unconditioned mind Intuits truth Bruce Lee

The approach is most important. If we are approaching this desire to get a glimpse of truth isn’t this desire strengthened by our idea of what we think truth might be? How would we know if we were projecting our own interpretations of what we think truth is? Seems that one way to go about this would be to understand the nature of truth. To be able to identify the false in the false and with such an insight truth may just reveal itself. Striving to attain may very well be the barrier that prevents this state of awarness.