Carl-Richard

@LordFall

Before reading: Close your eyes and take a few (e.g. three) deep breaths. Then sit with your eyes closed for 20 seconds while making yourself feel as relaxed as possible. Then do 2-3 minutes of staring at one point on your desk (e.g. the smallest detail you can pick out) and really focus all your attention on it. Then simply close your eyes again and rest for 20 seconds. During reading: Sit upright and relaxed (find a sitting style that makes your spine erect but not in an uncomfortable or laborious way; e.g. the way Sadhguru sits in most situations with one leg tucked under his bottom), breathe through your nose, avoid distractions and disturbances, be well-rested, generally do things that maximize or improve mental performance (adequate diet, exercise both for muscles and cardio, meditation habit, brain training habit). After reading: Do a quick mental recap of what you have learned while softly glancing at the pages you have read (maybe a few seconds per page).

Ok, thanks for reporting to us, mr. Easter egg filled with cream (☞ಠ_ಠ)☞

https://www.google.com/ In other words, trying to experience (directly) God, Consciousness, Non-duality, Oneness, Unity, Love. Mysticism, non-reactivity, ego transcendence, has existed for millennia, since Hinduism and before that. Meanwhile, Turquoise is a stage that supposedly evolved only a couple of decades ago. How do we square that? The 60s LSD hippie era is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, because despite being introduced to mysticism both culturally and supposedly experientially through psychedelic states, they had a (painfully) Green approach to addressing social problems, not Yellow, not Turquoise which is supposed to transcend and include Yellow. The Tim Learys and the Ram Dasses of that era weren't saying "how can we work with the elites, how can we make the elites understand the masses and the masses understand the elites?" but rather "how can we topple the establishment, how can we spread this message of non-conformance, of 'questioning authority', of 'turning on, tuning in, dropping out'", etc.

Q.E.D. Because conceptually (or at least a very common intepretation), it's an ill-conceived mixture of late Green and early Yellow ideas and non-dual/New Age mysticism. And similarly, this mixture (I believe) is reflected in its empirical foundation, because in the West (which all the people that Turquoise was based on were from), you tend to discover non-dual mysticism at around Green, because that is when you become more open to other perspectives than the standard line of (then) contemporary society, other cultures, and henceforth other cultures where mysticism has not been repressed for millennia (virtually exclusively those who harbor buddhism and hinduism). And for those intepretations that try to consequentially deny it having to do with mysticism, they seem not distinct enough from Yellow to warrant a distinct stage (e.g. "global view").

Keep going. Awakening is waking up from the dream, but you go back to sleep. Enlightenment is waking up and carrying it into the dream, being lucid in the dream, lucid dreaming. It's only a matter of repetition and eventually letting go of all control or agency.

Because of the idea that you can claim your allegiance with Jesus without being very explicit about what doctrine you need to follow and still be saved. It's fast food spirituality. It streamlines the process. You don't need to do much ground work, you don't need to prepare much of the ingredients, all you need to do is turn up the heat and out comes the food. You basically only need to open your mouth to the body of Christ.

ChatGPT, the pinnacle of sound epistemology.

If those are your motivations, never underestimate meditation. But of course, it depends on how obsessed you are.

I think I'm good at pretending that I am. But I care much less about pretending now than before.

What are you looking to get out of meditation? Because the more radical the orientation, the more radical the results. Here is a quote that I liked so much I saved it on my computer 5 years ago:

Describe Coral and how it differs from Turquoise.

The MBTI fanatics got banned 😝

Just curious, do you fancy yourself situated in Tier 2 in Spiral Dynamics?

In retrospect, the profanity was not needed, but the rest was. I'll apologize, but I think you should think about how it makes someone feel when you call them not manly for really no reason.

So essentially everything in your life is not wise, and it has nothing to do with gender in particular. Great.

Let me leave a reminder that making mega-threads about listing examples of bad things can be a provoker of epistemic scoundrelness and self-deception, as you create a habit of putting up walls between what you like and identify with (and think is you) vs what you don't like and don't think is you. When the "bad" constantly gets put into what is not you, you can become blind to that in yourself. And there should be a virtue (e.g. temperance, balance) that excessive judgement impacts clear judgement. Maybe a way to combat this is for each example you post, you also post something about yourself. If this mega-thread is indeed a practice meant to benefit you, maybe it could be helpful.

Literally abuser talk. Gaslighting instead of answering a simple question. Stand up for what you think. Answer the question. Be a man.

Instead of calling other people water people, why don't you answer the question which I've been asking for the third time now and which you've been evading with your water boy attitude? This level of forwardness in my response is completely intentional, because you are being incredibly disrespectful to the original poster.

What else is not wise? Please stop evading and answer the question.

Treat them like they're a kid who just explained to you what they learned in science class today about volcanoes.

I might have slightly overstated my case here in the original post. It's not that being Tier 2 or any stage is only about what your life is or what it looks like from the outside. It's that once you learn about Spiral Dynamics and Tier 2, it becomes truly impossible to tell what your stage is, because humans are the mimicking animal. We ape after what we find fascinating and valueable (and the highest SD stage we can conceive of). And we are so extremely good at it that we even fool ourselves. And that is why we need other methods to reliably determine what our development is. Only after a very long time of deeply involved mimicking, you might actually become the thing you are mimicking. But then again, if we take the "official" words of the authors of these models (which you can doubt, but then there are also many more things you should doubt), even this might take decades. Or to be honest, this has as far as I know not been studied at all (i.e. the effect of taking in knowledge and values from higher SD stages). But if this forum is any proof, I don't think it makes very much of a difference 😂 (I'm of course partially joking with you guys 😉😋). So my point in a nutshell is that once you have learned about SD, any claims about your own SD development become so unreliable as to be essentially invalid. If you want to get anything resembling a reliable estimate (and even then it's shady at best, giving that humans are also the bullshitting animal), survey yourself from before you learned about the model.

It's because Sasha's cousin is a leading researcher on Asberger's 😗

Do you know why the feminist lesbian in the movie is called "Alison Burgers"?

And sometimes , always, they fit in a stage or two or three lower than they think.