Carl-Richard

Growing up = biopsychosocial growth (personal; cognitive-emotional + sociocultural). Waking up = spiritual growth (transpersonal). The distinction was made because of the observation that spirituality has existed since the dawn of mankind in all kinds of "backwards" cultures (purple, red, blue etc.) and also to make sense of the countless of contemporary guru scandals. It counters the New Age myth that we can solve all global issues by simply preaching the gospel of transpersonal states of consciousness.

If you substitute the specific-comprehensive spectrum for the simplistic-complex spectrum in SD, then the organization of naturalism above myth correlates with Orange over Blue-Purple, but mysticism does not correlate with Green and up (only very weakly). To think that mysticism is a sign of SD maturity would be to conflate what Wilber calls "growing up" and "waking up". For instance, mysticism has existed along slavery.

@StarStruck It's a categorization/typology, not a developmental stage theory. It deals with metaphysical frameworks, not vMEMEs ("value systems"). It focuses on how reality is explained (philosophy), not how people think or behave (psychology). The hierarchical organization is a continuum of specificity-comprehensiveness, not simplicity-complexity.

It will ease the withdrawals for sure, but you'll still feel it, especially at the point where you jump off. Even if you jump off at 0.05g instead of 0.25g, the jumping off part will still be the toughest. Weed is actually one of the trickiest drugs to quit, because you can just keep stacking more and more tolerance forever, and when you finally decide to quit, you're at the pharmacological equivalent of a cliff. I think it's a combination of the fact that it stays active in the body for so long (i.e. your body doesn't just have to adapt to the high itself but also the "after-high") and that you can be relatively functional while on it (so you can smoke massive amounts all day, every day).

People do not experience. Experience experiences. Experience is not something you have or anybody else has. Experience just is

What is a woman?

What you're looking for is the distinction between meaning and being. You have to act a certain way in order to not cease to exist, and to maximize the meaningfulness of those actions is what concepts like health and morality (the good") is about. How to properly align your actions with "the good" is what meaning is about. The other side of the coin is being, which is the ground of all experience and all action. Without being, you cannot initiate any actions or experience the fruits of your actions. Being actualizes the potential of meaning in your life (and vice versa: without meaning, you cannot undertake the proper actions in order to facilitate being, e.g. meditation).

I would if I had the chops to do that, trust me! I mostly picked the examples that frequent this community, and I tried to add just enough of them to get my point across, which if I were to state it again, would be that different frameworks can tell you different things, and that you have to know when it's appropriate to invoke them to solve a problem. The type of naive skepticism I see most often is that you're hiding behind a spiritual framework (mysticism), which can only tell you extremely general things about reality ("absolute infinity wooow") — as a way to ignore a scientific-rationalist framework (naturalism), which tries to tell you very specific things about reality ("magnets wooow"). It's actually not true skepticism, but a sort of insincere pseudo-skepticism; spiritual bypassing. In fact, in recent years, the word "skeptic" itself (a la Michael Shermer and Matt Dillahunty) has been co-opted by this kind of pseudo-skepticism, where instead of hiding behind a spiritual framework, you're hiding behind a naturalist framework (most notably physicalism). It's ridiculous!

Firstly, don't do that. Secondly, if you don't feel that "everything is imagination", then drop it. Don't adopt it as a belief.

@Oeaohoo I've simplified the abomination of a response I made yesterday so it maybe makes more sense. I think I sat in the sun too long ?

I literally get an adrenaline rush every time I listen to it. It's like a Pavlovian response for going apeshit There is just something about evil-sounding atmospheric synths combined with really heavy guitars that makes me take off. Mmmyes, I really like Black Metal when it's not too low-fi ("how dare he!" ).

He is currently on a 7 day break from the forum. We'll keep this in mind for the future.

The "you" that you think you are is a dream character that you are imagining.

"20 stabs in the back in self-defence". Wait... is Varg to Euronymous what Heisenberg is to ... well... everyone?

Let me first preface by referring to something I said in the beginning (it's not a firm line): I'm secondly viewing the frameworks mostly through their "teaching style", i.e. which specific metaphors or explanatory constraints they're utilizing. It's the case that some of the metaphors in nondual mysticism are more tied to something in the 3D realm (like "Mary and Jane's dream", an analogy used by Rupert Spira), i.e. normal human objects and events. It also reflects where the teaching style is derived from: the practices are generally done sober in human form, and even the peak states are considered "normal" to some extent. On the other hand, psychedelic mysticism (Leo's teachings) is much less embodied in this respect. He will easily go to things like "you can imagine that the couch is sentient and start a conversation with it" or "you can stop imagining the entire universe right now if you were truly conscious". It too reflects where teaching style is derived from, namely the more overtly hyper-dimensional realm ("5-MeO/N'N-DMT hyperspace"). When it comes to the naturalistic frameworks, their "teaching style" is very much confined to the human side of things. If there is anything that linear human reasoning has a bad time grasping, it's the hyper-dimensional realms of those encountered in psychedelic states (maybe I should've just called it the "psychedelic realm" instead). This emphasis on teaching style is some of what I was trying to communicate with the two "inarticulated" levels, by pointing to that there are indeed teaching styles that utilize silence over speech ("the teachingless teaching"), e.g. aspects of Apophatic theology, which sort of collapses the comprehensiveness-specificity continuum and deconstructs the concept of teaching, and you can make the case that it merges with "the reality as it is". I have to admit that I was experiencing a strong feeling of dissonance when I first made the thread, which was one motivation for simplifying the layout. I've definitely not resolved that dissonance yet (which may be indicated by my verbose explanations), and you pointing to inconsistencies might help with that process, so thank you

I simplified it because I felt the two inarticulation levels were firstly a bit distracting from the overall point, and that they didn't fit well with the blocks on the left, and that most people are already familiar with the "map vs. territory" distinction anyway. I'm also generally starting to favor elegance over detailedness (especially when it comes to things like visualizations which are supposed to be simple).

https://civilizationemerging.com/what-i-learned-about-being-a-man-from-my-dad/

I've had some recurring themes in my dreams since I was little that I would be in a place that was either very similar to a familiar place (like my house) or a combination of several places, and sometimes I could explore a completely undiscovered part of that place. For example, one very common dream is that I would be in the first house I grew up in and that the cellar would have a hidden passage behind a bookcase which lead to this vast underground hall, like a secret royal palace with a tall ceiling like in a cathedral, and it had a feeling of mystery and scariness to it, and I thought it had infinitely many rooms. Then in the second house I grew up in, I would have a similar thing where I would be in the attic and be able to see through the floor down to the kitchen below, and I could float down into the kitchen and then continue down into this vast hall again, but this time it was more of a true underground mountain hall (dark and misty), like those in LoTR or in the game Motherload. Another such dream was that my grandmother's house would be like a kind of palace again, but not as vast as the other one. It's just like a nice house with extremely many rooms, bathrooms, baths and miscellanous rooms. I think the best description would be luxurious.

You didn't happen to read about his adventures with his dad?

I've had severe addictions before. In order to quit a habit, you need to rewire every possible manifestation of it in your life, and most of the work is done in the first month, but to fully weed it out (no pun intended) takes years. The mindfulness aspect is really crucial. You need to be aware of all the moments you're used to engage in the habit, preferably before it arises (but you also have to expect to be surprised), and you have to consciously inspect and expect your emotional state when those moments happen (not just the general intensity of it, but every type of situation it happens in).

I'll post the golden oldies here:

It contains carcinogens and deteriorates your gums, and I believe it's not generally sold outside of Scandinavia. If you're concerned about health, just chew nicotine gum.

This is me with you Her Fe will be spellbound by my Fi arguments and I'll say it's vegan or something

@Artsu @thisintegrated Ok, here is a challenge for anybody who dares to type me (?): go to my profile and take ONE random post of mine from each month of this year (12 in total) and type each one of them. The one who gets the best pattern wins! ?