Carl-Richard

Bro! I swear, first time on LSD at my place, one of my buddies asked if he could make porridge. PORRIDGE!

That moment when you realize there is a selection bias because it's in the spirituality section rather than the psychedelics section ? EDIT: HAHAHAH now it looks like I'm spamming ?

Thanks!

They're probably more spiritual than if they didn't take psychedelics, but by the standards of this forum, it doesn't register on the scale. I'm not saying that psychedelics don't have benefits. I'm saying that people who are hardcore spiritual nuts who meditate for hours every single day were probably predisposed to that. I would like to see a poll on this forum of how many who have taken psychedelics and how many of them meditate daily and have had sober awakening experiences. EDIT: I made that poll: I just see too many rich guys who are not spiritual, that's all

The people I know that take psychedelics are the least spiritual people I know If psychedelics happen to not be very effective, I think there is a chicken and the egg problem, because I think we need something drastic like mandatory meditation and non-dual teachings in middle school for most people to become spiritually inclined, and I don't see that happening before most people are already spiritually inclined.

Do you believe in evolution by natural selection?

I don't believe collectively maxing out materialism will make everybody take up spirituality. It requires a certain person. Certainly more people will take it up, but not mainstream.

Most people aren't predisposed to spirituality, so it won't become mainstream. If it does, it will be a dogmatic version, a.k.a. traditional religion. In that sense, spirituality has already been mainstream for thousands of years.

I skipped to 26:21 when most people are joining. I've never laughed so much

100% agreed. The answer is simple: it's not a natural way to live life. Over time, you'll think you've come to hell. Your body has an innate sense of what it needs, and it's a delicate balance. When you're eating a meal, your body knows when it has had enough, or if you're eating the wrong food, or when you need to pee, or have sex, or move your body etc. Your body knows what is best for itself, and it tells you this, if only you're willing to listen. There is an organic impulse towards health that is possible to tap into, and this is generally what raising your consciousness is about: finding out what truly serves you. Chasing pleasure directly is not the answer, because your body doesn't run on pleasure. It runs on meaning. Pleasure is merely a signal for when you do something meaningful. Your body adapts to excess of one thing, because in excess, it's no longer meaningful for your survival. What is meaningful is just the right amount, just that which serves you.

...no, that's just a condition of the thought experiment. You're going to be a human that will magically live forever, stuck in a garden, eating, sleeping, shitting and having sex like some zoo animal.

He didn't say "if you were to become God...". You're going to be a human in a garden. A garden gnome, a perverted one.

That's the surface-level appearance of Blue. You have to ask: what do these things provide? Order and meaning. These two meta-values go extremely deep, and you can spend years integrating them. So you don't have to integrate Blue by becoming a dogmatic, bible-thumping Blue. Just distill the core values. For the last couple of years, I've been working on creating order and meaning on all levels: daily life, life purpose, interpersonally, privately etc. For example, I've solidified my daily habits (diet, work, exercise, sleep), started taking notes for literally everything, planning things out thoroughly, committing to an education path, upping my workload, always telling the truth, and having faith in the process.

These kinds of questions showcase the distinction between pleasure and meaning and how you should only pursue one of them.

Second-order knowledge is inferential (from premises to conclusions) and probabilistic (not 100% certain), and that's ok

Lol. Would you like to only eat cake for the rest of your life?

Inb4 "but tests are shit"

Junk food is a hyper-salient survival signal which in excess makes you less resilient. If it's causing problems, you just have to learn to consciously avoid it.

@Scholar I think we can agree that Tier 2 has a goal, and that debate (or "adopt my values now") just in its structure is inherently counterproductive to that goal, and that any potential benefit contains a risk or a compromise. When I see someone going against that goal in that way, I'll have a harder time reading it as a Tier 2 approach, even though it can still be that.

I agree on these points, BUT (but), debate is not exactly the primary Tier 2 format, is it? You might say "Tier 2 has no primary format! That is limited Tier 1 non-sense!". Well, ok, but let's say that Tier 2 were to choose a general format to stick to, wouldn't Tier 2 care about what is actually generally effective though? Debate is usually not very effective for convincing anybody. Sneako being convinced by Destiny is one spaghetti that stuck to the wall. Maybe he was a loose brick that needed a little push, and in that sense, Destiny surely is the Spiral Grand Wizard who poofed him up the ladder, but from a general standpoint, is debate bro culture really the horse you want to bet on? I mean, there is a reason why therapists won't debate you. It's generally not effective. It can be, but it generally isn't. So the approach of "your values are shit; here is why" didn't read like a general Tier 2 approach to me, but I'll concede that Tier 2's versatility maybe could've snuck under my nose on this one.

Like when he interviewed Richard Spencer?

I was referring to this specific context of him talking to a dude who has a certain set of values and trying to convince him that his values are shit. That would be to, if not completely ignore, at least to de-emphasize the developmental lens. Go to a homeless dude and tell him that he needs a good wife and a job that inspires him. That's kinda what I was seeing here. That's different than making a lecture series for the people who need it. Different people require different things at different times. But sure, maybe what Destiny is telling Sneako here is exactly what Sneako needs at this point in his life, but to me, it didn't read as a Tier 2 approach. What I'm thinking about is more like the Mr.Girl therapeutic approach of trying to facilitate self-understanding in the person, maybe asking "what do you think makes you fulfilled? What are your goals? Let's help you with that." But that said, Tier 2 isn't hyper-relativistic either, so it will try to foster a "healthy" version of whatever the person needs (a therapist won't help you build a meth empire).

I just did

I've decided that I want to socialize more, but I just turned down the first week of partying with the new students because of petty reasons like "I don't want to: drink even just a little alcohol be around drunk people while basically sober break my workout schedule be the odd one out who doesn't drink like a lunatic" I also make similar petty excuses for not socializing more with my classmates in general (between classes etc.): Suddenly starting to hang out with them two years into the degree would be weird COVID was to blame I don't need to be hard on myself because I spent those two years on the brink of constant ego death, and neither the desire nor ability to socialize properly was present. It's only one year left before I leave town anyway. The only people I talk to regularly in real life is a classmate who has been my roommate for 2 years, as well my other roommates. He signed up to be a godparent(?) for some of the new students, so he is pretty much obligated to party for that first week, which makes me feel even more like a rat when I turned it down to his face. Other excuses I have is that I forgot that he signed up for that, and that I wasn't expecting the 3rd graders to really party at all, so I didn't have much time to consider it beforehand (because if I were to join the partying, I would've needed to plan it out for some reason). Basically, I want to socialize more, but I don't want to sacrifice anything for it, so I opt for the easiest option. Next year though, I'll travel back to my hometown and start my Masters there, and I'll start fresh with new people and be more social then (I will have less excuses and I'll be prepared to make some sacrifices as well).

Let's argue against him being Tier 2: The approach of "this will not fulfill you, but this will" when it comes to something broad like lifestyle is not very Tier 2.