Carl-Richard

"These problems seem spiritual in nature" is what his daughter claims, insinuating "attacks" from the outside. I've always thought it was from the inside. That said, it's not an easy life he's had the last decade. Last time he came out from the hospital, he was a different man.

Cry if you have to, just don't be a crybaby.

Rupert Sheldrake's study on telephone telepathy.

Da hell does that mean.

Any description is dogma.

Ah you were serious. "Why" is a human question. God doesn't give a rat's patoot about why, unless you believe God is intrinsically a human-like figure like stereotypical monotheists think. God just does what God does. God is like a dog: you don't ask a dog "why do you sniff everything?". Dogs simply sniff, they can't answer "why" or explicate a grand plan.

Lol

My god, on what planet can you claim Rupert Spira is not selling enlightenment? You're absolutely removed from reality. Since we're about that "show me" game, I'll give you one challenge: find me one person on the forum who believes Sadhguru sells enlightenment but Spira doesn't. You can find me plenty who believe Sadhguru is a conman, but find me one person who believes he sells enlightenment but Spira doesn't. I will virtually guarantee you they will either say they both sell enlightenment or they both don't sell enlightenment, not one or the other. And this will be because you've backed yourself into an ad hoc corner, painting with the fine-comb pedantic brush; backed yourself so tightly in there that nobody else could fit in there.

Hmm. Are you taking any other supplements? When I added a multivitamin to my then existing mineral/vitamin stack (magnesium oxide/citrate, zinc citrate, fish oil with A, D, E, vitamin D), I got pretty intense chronic acid reflux feeling for most of the day. Then I learned to separate them, multivitamin first with a fruit and then the rest of the stack after the rest of my breakfast (more fatty and starchy). Multivitamin is mostly water soluble so it pairs well with fruit and water (fibers in the fruit draw water into the stomach) and it gets mostly dissolved before the rest of the stack can interact with it (and the rest of the stack except the minerals benefits from fat; vitamin D, fish oil, and now vitamin K2).

@Elliott Here is how spiritual teaching works (or how it doesn't work): "I had this marvellous experience once and I pursued it with these practices and then I became established in this experience. Come sit with me for 4000$ and we'll talk about this experience, these practices. But if you ask me 'do you think I will experience this experience by me doing that?' "No, no, no — what? Are you crazy? At no point did I say that. I just want your 4000$". This is your position.

According to you, all spiritual teachers are conmen. Some are just honest about it and tell it to your face. Some prop themselves up to keep plausible deniability, seem humble and more enlightened and sell more of their stuff. Which is a good thing irrespective. Imagine you're at the top of the Eiffel Tower and somebody is selling parachutes. They are even jumping themselves. Even if they don't say to your face "I believe this is the way, I believe I can help you get to the ground", you see they have put their life on it (invested their life into it) and tried it themselves (used the techniques themselves). The conviction in their actions speaks more than their words.

@Inliytened1 Btw, if you are in the limbo state and you take psychedelics, unless it's a teeny tiny microdose, you will either have an insane ego death (granted you drop the moth identity) or you will have a 5150. So think about that if you want to go on a psychedelic retreat (it might become a psych retreat 😝).

@Hojo What does this have to do with Hare Krishna? 🤡

Next time, ask ChatGPT to give you an academically informed answer and not a smorgasboard of pop culture stereotypes. Sorry — allergies 🤧. When you have a religious group that is an offshoot of a larger religion that have their own interpretation and claims about that religion, and they largely separate themselves from the rest of society, you have a sect. When the beliefs are more idiosyncratic and not tied to a larger religion or frame in society (and you have separation from the rest of society), you have a cult. Hare Krishna seems more like a sect than a cult.

Bro what the fuck. Most random ass post.

I've talked about this before but I think these are a gradual uncovering of different intellectual/doctrinal interpretations of the same experience. The fact that the order is fuzzy also indicates this. The cases where you have a fundamental different quality to them is more akin to the Ramaji map or other maps. If you're stuck in the "limbo" stage (Ramaji 590s or so), it's likely you've really only glimpsed 600s (Self-realization) or maybe 700s (Cosmic consciousness), but less likely proper God consciousness (800s). Jumping to 800s from below 600s is probably really only feasible with high-octane psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT (I assume you also went through all of this sober), and that's of course also initially temporary.

There is no why except God likes to express itself. There is only how.

I don't know about you but I have a very high bar for using one substance to mask the side effects of another substance. There are probably some underlying issues you're trying to mask with the first substance that you should be trying to solve, if it's not some unsolveable chronic health issue. Especially with essential nutrients like vitamin D, the goal is ideally to ensure optimal functioning, not masking pathology.

Rupert Spira calls it "the moth and the flame". The moth is attracted to the flame and wants to get closer to it, but when it gets too close it realizes for it to fulfill its ultimate desire of merging with it, it must cease to be a moth, so it recoils. But it sees the flame again and keeps coming back to it, but when it gets closer, it recoils again. Eventually the moth becomes tired of getting closer and recoiling and eventually decides to merge with the flame. You lack vision

It's atheists ironically critiquing religion from below and not above. I felt he was referring to the ChatGPT spam.

Ah, the limbo state. Welcome brother. I'll be there for a couple of more years probably (is what the ego self says; the true self wants to say no that's not true, you're already there 😼). But yeah, even if you decided to meditate for 1 minute and your crown chakra exploded into a supermassive black hole, I still believe you formed a belief to get to that place, but yes in this case, it's probably not a belief you would count as "pathological" in the same vein you would accuse dogmatic Christians of having. But a belief nonetheless.

It doesn't detract from my point again, but anyways: so you have complete non-doership right now? You can sit still and go into a state free of thoughts virtually instantly?

Can moderators on a computer edit the comments in question so we see a spoiler bar we can click instead of the entire text? Ty.

My AI allergy is 🤧 blistering 🤧 up.

Fascinating. The statistics say around 2/3rds report experiencing doubt. And that's subjective reports, in a culture where you allege doubt should be non-existent and presumably shunned and repressed out of the psyche. Surely you didn't get enlightened though, you got a glimpse. Didn't you continue practicing afterwards? Didn't you see where it could lead? Didn't you have a belief now (that was strengthened) that this too became possible? A belief also formed when you merely became curious, but certainly more fleeting and with less conviction. Science and mysticism, combined with concepts and practices you got from religion, with science which you got from religion, with mysticism which you got from religion. Works for me Nevertheless, certainly postmodern, individualist, even quite Western. You know a Christian. There is this course in university that causes all this trouble, my favorite course of the entire degree. It went by the name "Spirituality, Religion and Existential Questions". Today it goes by a more pompous name ("Psychology of Religion" or something). I was allowed to write an essay about my spiritual experiences and also do a research paper on how psychology students understand the term "religion". Go figure.