Carl-Richard

I'm not convinced, but if you say so. If you say so.

I don't see why that necessarily has to be random. Why can't it follow a pattern that you're simply unaware of?

That's what I thought earlier (I didn't post it though), that you were somehow conflating randomness with complexity. That's what Leo means by infinite intelligence (infinite complexity). Hence, I don't see why you should disagree on a substantial level. This is meaningless to me.

@Scholar Ok, so if you are all using the same definition, why does Leo and Bernardo conclude that randomness is just our failure to predict reality while you don't? Maybe I am a bit dense today

Leo, Bernardo, biologists and me are using an idiosyncratic definition of randomness? That doesn't mean anything.

@Scholar I can concede that I don't understand what you're saying, but I do understand what Leo is saying. He is saying what Bernardo Kastrup is saying here: 47:56 And I think the lack of understanding is largely on you. If you want to use the word "randomness" in some idiosyncratic way, go ahead, but you can also choose to be more strategic. It's only a language game after all. Choose the language game that communicates the concept the best in any given situation (and that may require more work on your part). It also helps to think that failing to make yourself understood is more a failure on your part than somebody else's part, whether or not that is actually true.

What does this have to do with genetic mutation?

That is my point. You're disagreeing about language, not substance. I just hear you describing infinite intelligence using the word randomness.

That was the idea ☺️

Read the side note on the bottom:

@Scholar Biologists used to think genetic mutation was random, but today they propose that mutation happens at different rates depending on the location in the genome and survivability of the organism. What do you make of this?

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@Scholar Is randomness an innate property of reality, or is it just our inability to predict some aspect of it?

You should've told that to one of our political leaders before he got caught stealing a pair of sunglasses at the airport and had to resign from his position as party leader. I still can't believe how stupid that was https://www.politico.eu/article/sunglasses-norway-bjornar-moxnes-red-party-resign/

I literally believe you only disagree about using the word random or not. It's not a substantial disagreement. You both believe in the ineffable divine intelligence of the universe, and you both are levying it as an argument for calling it random or not.

It's been over 5 years since I last took LSD, and I can still induce HPPD symptoms if I try (its probably always present to some degree). I also have a history of migraines. I'm actually not sure if it's mainly due to past heavy weed use or LSD.

I find your disagreement to be nothing but a word game.

I've unironically started invoking the name of God in Arabic instead of whatever my culture pushed on me (I'm Western), and it feels quite the same actually (no disrespect to my muslim brothers). I should probably stop doing that, it's weird

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I think it's good that you feel more grounded following Christianity, but don't expect people to adopt that here.

Now I removed most of the strong black colours so it's even easier on the eyes.

The virtue of balance again ? Fun fact: the model has a cultural East-West split in two places ("Being"-"Meaning" and the two "wings" on the abstract bubble). All wisdom traditions are equally represented (balanced). Also, the concrete domains look visually like a brick wall, and the abstract principles and virtues look like connecting thoughts. I did put some thought into it

The concrete domains (bio-psycho-social) should be thought of as the core domains you need to engage in to achieve things like well-regulated emotions. In a way, emotions skew towards the "lower" bio-social domains (reptile-limbic), but really all of it goes into developing your emotions (which goes back to the virtues of balance, integration, etc.). You could model it in a different way of course, but I like the bio-psycho-social split because it seems to pop up everywhere; from the Ancient Greeks, to modern psychology, to neurobiology.

My IQ just decreased 13 points by reading this

@Yimpa I also think you're trolling a bit much in this thread.