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Even better, you can experience an immediate ego backlash right after. That happened to me, got really depressed and hopeless for an hour or so.

Agreed, someone should write a script that moves some of the threads into 4chan.org/x. Not even joking, it's the most active community for that kind of stuff that i know of.

The more you fail, the better. You are frustrated because your mind is trying to conceptualize the unconceptualizable. The realization you are after, remember, is that there is no self. Wonder why inquiring to it is so hard? Love the question and love the frustration

I have heard so much stuff about them, but I cant decide what to think. They seem to be such a big deal, but my inner scientific sceptic can't swallow something like this without a throughout chewing, but Im also sceptic about my sceptisism. Im not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure that we can't pinpoint any chakras from the physical body, just like that. There is also an issue of the new-age slippery slope that can start to snowball pretty quickly when one starts to accept spiritual concepts and theories that we have no hard science with cool math and graphs and research of. Science is starting to have increasingly worse rep here by the day, and by now the limits of science have been pointed out multiple times, but I don't think it deserves to be put into the trash so harshly, especially when we are talking about the human body. It's a pretty solid research subject. This is the "problem" with all spiritual non-science based theories, pick one. Lets use the example of chakras: You don't believe in them, you don't practice them, they will probably never show themselves to you. You don't believe in them, but you try anyway, the above will probably happen because your hart was not in it really. You do believe in them, but REALLY they do not exist, you can imagine they work (placebo), and in a twisted way they are now part of your reality and do exist. You do believe in them, they do really exist really, it works, win. I can accept that mainstream science will NEVER fund research into chakras and I will never get the proof I thirst for. In my direct experience I don't feel any specific energy points in my body EXCEPT when I'm on mushrooms, then I feel a nice mellowing warm fuzzy nice feeling in my stomach area (that would be the root chakra?), but I also have many other physical sensations because well, Im on mushrooms. Also acid feels a lot like it's in my crown chakra, if you want to call it that. Being radically open minded and practicing critical thinking is a tough balancing board to master. Help me and other like me out here, all you wannabe hindu monkeys Some further reading: http://powerthoughtsmeditationclub.com/the-chakras/ http://www.chakra-anatomy.com/chakra-science.html (the issue is present on the links above, it's easy to bootstrap quantum mechanics to prove and mean all kinds of stuff, even though the best scientist of the field admit the basics of it boggles them really hard)

@DoubleYou can you recommend any good ones?

Thats called enlightenment, my friend. And yes, it is possible.

Im so glad I will die someday. Its such a priviledge, the greatest leap of them all. Scary, but great.

How do you know he didn't know about it?

If im lucky enough to be conscious before I die, I envision falling into myself. Also my last thought will be: "what the hell was all that about?"

You left out the part where you started to act and talk like me and stole my identity. I died a little right there too. Ily <3

I dont know you shin but i love you <3 ((((Im a guy, no homo)))) Im feeling great! I feel happier and more mindful almost every passing month.

No man made depiction of aliens will ever be proof about anything. This thread is wishful bogus and should be deleted. There is a difference between being open minded and "everything goes", and it is thin as ice on spring. And yes, I want to believe.

@doronshadmi Thanks! I do appreciate Do share it with your friends if you will

Look up my post on self-inquiry, its my first or second. Maybe it will help also check out gangaji, she might have something to remind you of.

Music is pretty good on shrooms. Silence is godlike.

Erm... what? Can you elaborate?

Easier said than done matey, especially on that high of a dose. Have any tips for that? I find that the more i try to let go, the more everything amplifies. I love acid though. I guess that makes me a junkie. Imagine my shame lol

@AleksM I was refering to this one. Watch it with an open mind

432hz stuff is new age bs. Google A=432hz adam neely

Well said my friend. I juuuuust commented about this to another person, ill just copy paste it below. And yes, any scientist that is not married to the paradigm of science knows this: science is the investigation of the properties of the seeming reality we exist in, and it will never (and it never was supposed to) touch the "what" of things. But yeah here is the copypasta: The evidence that a materialist claims to be evidence of matter, is first and foremost actually evidence of existence of perceptions. It still leaves the discussion of reality of matter open, because it does not objectively falsify the notion of matter, just the evidence for it. I don't know man, all this confuses the hell out of me, to be honest. In unsure times like these, meditation as a being feels nice and simple my small brain does not compute the challenges of western philosophy. My current feeling about the metaphysics of matter is, that it simultaneously exists, and does not exist. I heard one weird skinny bald guy calling that a strangeloop, but I don't know about that fuzz. Could be a scam to sell something, I don't know.

Everything one claims to be obviously true, needs a second, third and fourth look. The word obvious describes a thing "that is so true that it thinking about the premises that make it up do not need to be evaluated, its just true" You do realize that what ever you claim to be interracting with consciousness, is content within consciousness? You have sensations of the physical world, that are known in consciousness. The evidence that a materialist claims to be evidence of matter, is first and foremost actually evidence of existance of perceptions. It still leaves the discussion of reality of matter open, because it does not objectively falsefy the notion of matter, just the evidence for it. I just yesterday wrote a long post about this, look it up if you will I dont know man, all this confuses the hell out of me, to be honest. In unsure times like these, meditation as a being feels nice and simple my small brain does not compute the challenges of western philosophy. My current feeling about the metaphysics of matter is, that it simultaneoysly exists, and does not exist. I heard one weird skinny bald guy calling that a strangeloop, but I don't know about that fuzz. Could be a scam to sell something, I don't know.

Materialism states that from matter arises something called a human and from the material human there somehow arises consciousness. We can explore the material world with our consciousness or knowing of it, and find objective truths from reality. So matter first, then consciousness. But this is ass backwards. How do you know matter? With consciousness of it: a perception of a "material" object. What is a perception of matter? Its a phenomena in consciousness, that could be further divided as a sight, sound, taste etc. Something about something is known: known in consciousness. When you truly trace it down honestly, everything you think you know, everything you perceive is just known. So if every piece of knowledge about this so called world is ultimately ALWAYS a perception, everything IS a perception. So what is a perception? It IS consciousness, its not separate from it. Perceptions don't appear separate from consciousness, consciousness does not appear separate from perceptions, thus there is no sense in talk about them as separate things. They are the same thing and "happen" simultaneously, "consciousness" and "perception" are just convenient words, as we can in fact separate them verbally. Alan Watts loves to talk about this. But words are not reality, reality is reality, All this is deeply counter intuitive, because it truly _feels_ that there is an outside world with properties, that is not you, but it just does not stand when honestly investigated. The rabbit hole here goes very deep: There is/are no physical: space world humans body organs parents children physical anything, you name it To say that matter exists as its own reality, is like (Im maybe too much of a Ruber Spira fanboy. Rubert <3 please someone burst my bubble) saying that an image on a screen has more reality than the TV. It gives matter more reality than it deserves. Table, TV, chair, dragon, what ever. They are all on the same line: a perception. But wait, there is more When you have an enlightenment experience, you realize that everything is consciousness/perception. Point to the thing you call your "self" in your direct experience. It must be there, because it has been with you all your life, right? All you can do is point to a story about who you are. What ever you tell me you are, is not really who you are, that is what you tell yourself to be. By talking to me about yourself is actually claiming that you are a sentence, and that's rather ridiculous. And so is your story of yourself. Now stay silent. That is what you really are: a knowing. In the realization of no self, lies a deep mind fuck. Yes, you find out the most important and relevant truth for you: who you are, but you do not get any information about _what_ you are actually perceiving. Like holy fuck what is happening here? A DOG and a CAR? There are perceptions, sure, but can someone plese tell me what is this thing called reality I'm perceiving? That is what I call a cry for materialism I agree, none of the content of your perceptions make any god damn "sense", but when you have an enlightenment experience, you realize that it really, really, REALLY does not matter what it is, because that whole quest for meaning and "base" for everything rises from the materialistic paradigm, and you know better now.The "stuff" you would eagerly call matter, that you perceive, is made of itself, that is, perception. The notion of "stuff made from itself" rises an immediate scientifically minded rejection/objection that goes like this: "But i can investigate what underlies things! When I investigate a matryoshka doll, I find another doll. Surely I can run this process on everything, and ultimately reality itself! Saying that stuff is made of itself is just giving up!" This is just another way of saying "I will juggle perceptions until I arrive at a non-perceptual truth!" To say that there is a material world, that you are perceiving, is jumping to conclusions based on your intuition, not on careful investigation of what is true unconditional of your assumptions. Remember, that you can't deny that perceptions of _something_ is all you REALLY have of the "world". When you hear a cat barking, or a lion mooing, you assume based on the sound that there is this particular source for it. You must realize that every time you make a connection like this, a claim about the reality that is outside from your direct experience, you are making an assumption. We don't like assumptions here on Truth city. We could put a cat in a box a million times and hear its bark, and take it out, and hear a ba- okay that joke died, hear a meow outside of the box the cat now visible, and a million times you would say that the cat is meowing in the box, but that is just not your direct experience, and will never be, unless you directly see or otherwise perceive the cat meowing. It's ridiculously counter intuitive, I know, but run trough the logic for yourself and see for yourself that when materialism and non-materialism are put in a cage, the matter gets eaten. I'm on the same boat as @Leo Gura on this, that the bottom line for materialism is that there is absolutely zero evidence for it, because there never could be. Personally, I sure as hell feel like there is matter, but yeah. It's just a feeling. Or dare I say it: a perception of it

Agreed, to an extent. There are some points in @Leo Guras take on enlightenment and self-inquiry that get understated, main point being imo that everyone is already enlightened. Its a deep and subtle point that can be easily misunderstood. Leo talks a lot about the "work" you should be doing, and that certainly is all great stuff, but the notion of working towards something is in a way quite crazy. Its not in the end of the road, it is here. You are it. What are you working on? Really, what are you doing. Why not just rest as yourself, the self that you are. Why not just live and love the truth that you are? This is sooooo easily misunderstood as "well i dont have to do anything then, lets whats some telly". Of course, thats a gross almost intentional misunderstanding. Leo talks about that. But still, really man, you are it. Now go feel, live, radiate and love it. Oh what so I know. Im a random spider monkey posting on a forum full of lunatic hippie monkeys.

@Shin i just assume you are wise because of yoda

@Shin yes, master Shin.