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Don't concern yourself @john5170 , you are exactly where Nature intended you to be. Thoughts come and go, it is the attachment to them that causes conflict. Try and bring attention to where the thoughts come from and where they dissolve to. This may help you to clear the thoughts. Happy hunting

You have got it @egoless . It is very healthy to question everything. 'Enlightenment' is exactly the same as every other religon, it points towards That, don't take any of it is gospel, that is the centre of the problem. My advice is don't listen to people who tell you if you do X,Y,Z and you will know the ultimate Truth. That is a load of nonsense, as there is no one way. Just do what feels right and is natural to you personally. Find what resonates and try and find who you are, what your source is. No one can tell you that, as it is so deeply personal to your life experience. In a sense it is just a matter of surrendering to your self.

Totally. To be perfectly honest I came at it from a similar angle. I wasn't someone who meditated, I didn't have a specific religon, although I favoured Jah as the label I placed on That as reggae music was my thing. Don't sell yourself short on looking within and time, it's a natural occurence. If you have a realisation follow it and use it, implement it in what you are doing. Cracks will appear and it will start to open up. That is already knocking at your door, that is why you question and you are here. Logically speaking, Truth makes perfect sense once realised, being that nothing makes sense and is real. Think about it, nothing makes sense, no thing makes sense, nothingness makes no sense. It is completely logical, and so simple that you do not see how logical it is as you are looking for meaning where there is not. I mean seriously, how can any of this make sense, life feels empty because it is. None of it makes sense at all. Life simply is, pure and simple. That is the heart of every religon, although of course the egoic aspect of consciousness distorts and manipulates so that we miss the simple essence at the core of it all. Religon in it's purest form is simply to know God, the rest is just projections of nonsense. That is the how people of every religon can wake up, whether you care to accept that or not. Don't you see That wants you to know who you really are, that is why religon exists. Consider this, imagine if all religon was clothed in the same garment, how boring would that be, if we all walked around as the same. I personally couldn't think of anything more depressing. That is why I celebrate the diversity of what is, and what appears to be beyond an infinite number of possibilities as to how that manifests. It is freaking magic beyond belief, all from the One Source. What if it is all deception? To be honest I have considered the potential that this is just a mind loop within consciousness, which is a thought that makes sense sure, but you know what, discovery of That, and living and acting with awareness of That as your centre in every breath is such a simple and beautiful way to live. In its purest form a natural expression of love, compassion, humility, peace. It saddens the heart to see how easy that is to reach, while it appears as so far away. Like I said I am not there today but I can here the undeniable call of silence at my door, and I am opening up. I don't need you to follow me or believe me, all I am saying is to find the answer within yourself. I don't have an answer for you, how could I when there is no answer? And whether you believe me or not to be perfectly honest is just noise. No matter how you cut it up, you can not deny that this moment right now is happening, it just is. Nothing makes more sense than that. Hope this makes sense and is helpful in some way

Love the making an ass out of you and me and the quest I am on, lol the present - the gift that just keeps on giving

Something is nothing, just as nothing is something. They are one and the same, there is nothing g that separates them. That is why it is more accurate to say neither not-something nor not-nothing. Who says it doesn't? You are objectifying what can not be objectified. Like the eyes, you can not see them, but they see, they are not objects until you look in the mirror and say they are my eyes, yet they are what is looking at the mirror. Its all very silly really. The question is do you want to get to the heart of the matter and see who you are or not? If you do then you need to leave all your ideas behind and look within. Only in the present will the gift reveal itself. No one can do it for you, it is up to you. Either do it, or do not.

1. Think about it. What is nothing? What can you say about it? What do you see as the space between you and the fire when you look at the fire? That is That, it is inconceivably empty, that which does not change or in more popular terms it is Absolute. 2. Nothingness is just the base, it is inseparable from the other aspects. 'Pure' awareness is just awareness from the perspective of base. 3. Do you see how you seperate something from nothing? They are inseparable, you can not have one without the other, that is the nature of duality and how our minds have been conditioned. Think about it, look at any object. What would that object be if you took the nothingness away that appears to surround it? All is yin and yang, not just yin or yang. Does that make sense? You ask good questions which is important? Ask the same questions within you though, without taking a bunch of ideas as to what you expect the answer to be and see what arises? Don't stop until there are no answers left. I hope the above is helpful in some way.

Ok, lets see what arises in a more practical sense. To try and bring a pointed focus lets just try and focus on each question at a time. I will try and keep my answers short. I used to think I was enlightened, but today I do not. The moment of enlightenment was like nothing else, it was recognition of That. I could tell you a story of why and how that was enlightenment (for example it manifested in the physical realm as witnessed by others) but really it is just a story, and I do not see a point in revisiting it as it created a new identity over time. If you feel as though you need to hear the whole story msg me and I will tell you away from public viewing. I didn't watch the video to be honest, as I was at work when I first saw it so didn't click play. 3D - to me implies 3 aspects. I see the 3 aspects as That (Nothingness - utterly unperceivable) - Conciousness (perceived as thought) - Physical (perceived as senses) The 3 fields are insepperable. Does that make sense? To try and keep it clear can you try and ask short specific questions and I will try and give short and specific answers (knowing that there is no answer that has been realised that is more accurate beyond no answer, at least not to my awareness)

birth - be earth realise - real lies squirt some etymology if compelled @K VIL ps. the thought of self as a super elf makes me feel as though I am playing some sort of lucid fantasy game, lol

@egoless , essentially what @Joseph Maynor is saying is correct. The only way to find the answer to anything you are asking is to look within your self. And until That smacks you in the forehead (metaphorically speaking) , it doesn't make any senses beyond an attempt to grasp a concept. The reason for that is that The Absolute is absolutely nothing. There is nothing there at all. In other words, THERE IS NO ANSWER! That is why from the base of "I am full of shit" (or absolute humility if you prefer) clarity bubbles up. What people often miss is that the 3 aspects are inseparable, with focus drawn only towards 1 aspect (in denial or acceptance), this is false as That doesn't deny anything, at all. That is the base, the unconditional, the unchanging realness. Try look at it this way That is simply the glue that binds, the canvas that we are all painted onto. It is ever present, unlike the painting which is ever changing. This might help, when you look at a fire, it appears separate to you, this despite the fact that you can feel it, smell it, see it, hear it. What is it that carries the fire to your senses? You can't see it, yet it is there That is the unifying field that binds all. The problem is that we walk around gathering beliefs and concepts about who we think we are, and what we think life is about. These are rocks that we fill our pockets with so that when we attempt to swim across the river, we sink to the bottom and have to turn back. The irony (or the joke) is that when you get across to the other side you see that there was never a river in your way at all. Look within and keep asking, get out of the way of your self, and you might be pleasantly surprised.

In whose mind @Nahm ? Can you please explain to me the difference as you see it so I do not place my assumptions onto what you are saying?

Yes @Nahm , agree totally However, if no one wakes up, who is enlightened?

So universe translates to uni being 1, and verse being poetic literacy, which would make the universe 1 poetic literacy, lol. Makes sense in a very abstract kind of way.

lol @Nahm Don't remember my moment of conception but I remember both of my kids, they were definitely big bangs, lol. Birds started going ballistic and every thing seemed more alive than normal. Don't remember The Big Bang either, lol Did you experience the Big Bang on DMT, I have heard that isn't uncommon?

haha, so very true. Life isn't so twisted that it would give you a screw driver to hammer a nail. In other words, you can only use the tools you have got, all of which serve a purpose.

You should love this one.. enlightenment - en being within or in, light being light, and ment being the preposition of nouns into action. So does that mean that enlightenment is nothing more that discovering ones light within?

Whats the word @Joseph Maynor ?

Who isn't trying to bend reality @Girzo ? Which segue's perfectly back into the original question of this thread, "Why Enlightened People Can't Bend The Reality?" The answer being that the enlightened person realises that you can not bend that which is unbendable, which gives rise to the question, what is real?

@AleksM I've got to admit the Plaideans always scared the crap out of me as it always appeared like a pretty good set up to create a Brave New World. Have you ever seen the movie Logans Run? That is just my ego talking though.

@egoless as I said consciousness is only one aspect, although it is no different to any of the other aspects, there is nothing that seperates them, just as nothing seperates the projector, the screen, and the image being projected, they are one and the same. The difficulty you are having is that you are trying to understand how that sees this, which is impossible as there is no gap between that and this, they are one and the same. It is only a slight adjustment in perspective, and is a lot closer than we all think. Why do you think that is? (clue: the answer is in this response) The only question that really matters is no question, which gives the only answer that has any value, no answer. Nothing is more Truthful than that, the rest is just noise. Until you experience That, it doesn't make any sense, with the reality of the situation being that you are never not experiencing That, which is the joke of it all. It's just how it is.

Pure consciousness is just one aspect@egoless How could realisation and being be seperate? I know someone who went through awakening and they told me that consciousness offered them 3 times all the power to travel through consciousness which would give them untold power. It frightened the crap out of them and they rejected it 3 times. I personally think it was a trap and just another trick of the mind. After all, how can you alter what is, which is the sum of everything that ever happens?

Good question @jhmarrio Your thoughts arise within you so enquire within yourself, it is the best way to know what thought is. Ask things like; what is thought? where do thoughts arise? why do thoughts occur? what is not thought? The answers are within you, just ask and enquire and who knows you might surprise yourself.

Try CBD @electroBeam , it has many benefits including mood stabilisation

@Serotoninluv it will only work if you are wearing a nappy, lol

If someone told us that babies were enlightened I wonder how many of us would run out and buy nappies, lol

@Pure Imagination you are going to have to face your past and uproot it eventually, as you will never escape from what you are not while you avoid it.