Forestluv

Thanks for the kind thoughts. I did EMDR therapy which helped habituate to it. Part of being human is having conditions.

An intense ring is common during 5-meo trips, yet I never experienced that. The ringing appeared a few days after I did a month-long 5-meo retreat and never stopped.

A nice bed time story ?

@electroBeam We aren’t on the same wavelength. I wish you a good night.

I don’t get the type of imagination visuals that you are describing. It’s not a sum total of everything. More like infinite potential, infinite knowing, omniscience. I’ve had a couple experiences of having expansive creative potential somewhat similar to what you describe.

No, I was not being metaphorical. The price of entry was becoming permanently insane and spending the rest of my life in a psychiatric ward. The was only one of the prices of admission. As I said, I don’t like to discuss it for the very reason. People who don’t understand that try to correct me or say I’m exaggerating. Yes, that is great stuff to chat about in a safe comfortable space. A walk in the park. It isn’t remotely close to actually facing and working through what I’m pointing at. This is why I don’t talk about these experiences much. People without the experience theorize about it, yet don’t understand the actuality of it.

Nonstop tinnitus and clicking sounds in my head.

No, I’m not exaggerating. That was the price of entry. One reason I don’t talk about these types of experiences much is because people not in the know say things like “you’re exaggerating”. That’s some fun stuff to philosophize about in Starbucks. Yet it ain’t remotely close to actually facing and working through what I’m pointing at.

I don’t think it’s helpful for me to get into. It would be like describing what it’s it like to be tortured in a dungeon and it’s never going to end.

I’d be careful with ideas like “that’s something I’d like to experience”. Would you like to experience something so traumatic you become permanently insane and spend the rest of your life in a psychiatric ward? That was the price of admission for me. Yet I don’t know what the price is for others.

@Thought Art There are places you haven’t been. If you’ve experienced it, you wouldn’t be talking like you are.

I did at least 24 straight days, maybe more. After three weeks, I couldn’t tell if I had vaped the 5-Meo or not. It was all day long. Around day 7 were some hard spaces, I had to sacrifice all to continue and didn’t know if I’d ever come back. Then I was gone 24/7. Around day 30, the first fragments of a separate self began to appear and I didn’t know what it was. It was like something from another realm that I vaguely remembered, perhaps from a different life. . . At one point, I was sitting in the parking lot looking at someone on the other side. There was a realization that it was a “different person” person and a thought of “Inwonder what she thinks of me”. Then there was knowing of a “me” and it was taking control of my mind and body. It was awful. I started rolling on the ground, yelling as the “me” took over my mind and body. Kinda like a reverse “ego death”. Overall, it was extremely intense - both good and bad. There were also intensely free, peaceful times as well. I would walk in nature and dragon flies would come right up to my eyes, fluttering. Rays of golden sunshine would glitter off their wings. While sitting, birds, deer and raccoons would approach me. A frog jumped on my leg and were stared at each other. He was a little buddha. . . . There were several long term effects and I think there was neural rewiring, the only negative one is auditory hallucinations persist. Even 1.5 yrs later. Yet I made the decision to sacrifice all, and it’s a small price to pay relative to what I was willing to pay.

In his recent videos, he’s stressing he’s ingesting legal substances, since this is a YouTube video. A few months ago friends and family called police to help him and he got locked up in a psychiatric ward for over two weeks. His psychedelic use seemed to be an issue. My impression is that he is keeping his psychedelic use on the DL.

What is the one thing everyone agrees on? Nothing!

This assumes a point. Ground 0 is also infinite Grounds. It’s like asking if two different people in superposition both observed superposition, would they both observe the same point.

Anekantavada arose some 2500 years ago, back when stage red was emerging. Even today, few minds can grasp its depth. Their minds were thousands of years ahead of their time. Can your mind venture thousands of years behind and ahead?

Capturing is not the main goal or pleasure for an explorer of consciousness. A butterfly appears and flutters away. An explorer observes in appreciation without desire to capture the butterfly. Leo just released a few paradoxical butterflies that fluttered away. That itself is beauty. ?

Superposition, entanglement and observation of finite positions. . .

Yes, a delicious paradoxical snack. An imagine of infinite mirrors arises.

Is it fair to say those two realities are equally true within a higher order infinite reality?

@Scholar I agree that a lot is missed when the mind is immersed in conceptualizing. I find conceptualizing can be luring, engaging, addictive and distractive at times. And it can also be a waste of time. I’ve been in many conversations in which no point gets transmitted. In some contexts, language is a very crude method of communication. My sense is that hundreds of years from now, there will be new forms of communication that arise. This is a duality between an external, objective thing that exists and a relative idea of that “thing”. That duality collapses with enough scrutiny.

The deconstruction of language comes super early in the deconstruction process. If we were to make a 2hr movie showing the full process of deconstruction, language would get deconstructed the first minute of the movie. It’s the very beginning.

One thing to add about the academics. The construct of tenure is super important for the type of academic freedom and pursuit of truth Leo describes. It is a like a protective shield that allows many academics to explore truth. Most capitalist administrators and Board of Trustee members don’t like it. They see it as guaranteeing a “lifetime job” and it shifts power from administration to faculty. Capitalistic forces are not just businesses outside of academia. Academic Institutions have internal capitalistic business aspects. Sometimes administration converts a faculty member into an administrator. Sometimes this can be a good liaison, yet quite often faculty sees it as as one of their own joining “the dark side”.

There is still an assumption of something. It can get deconstructed further, yet a key handle for grounding would be lost.

I find it interesting that some corporate Dems are supporting student debt cancellation. I’m assuming that they got permission from their corporate donors to take this position, which begs the question: why? Perhaps focusing on student debt would distract from focusing on other corporate issues such as the fossil fuel industry and climate change. Or perhaps they are betting that the Republicans maintain the senate majority and McConnell would block it. If it does pass, it would be a big win for the left and education. From a capitalist / libertarian perspective, it would be seen as subsidizing the education system and likely trigger a negative reaction. Plus, they won’t like that they paid off their student loans and current student get “free stuff” that they don’t get. A right wing perspective sees higher education as liberal indoctrination, so they would be outraged. I do see capitalist exploitation within academic institutions. Many low income and minority students are recruited to increase diversity and image - and they are persuaded to take out 100k+ in student loans. Some students are underprepared for college and struggle to make it through. Last semester, a student of mine needed to drop out. He was a first generation student and would return to his father’s landscaping business - yet now with 70k+ in debt. From my POV, faculty care more about the welfare of students - administration cares more about the bottom line and the cost of not retaining students. I understand from a business point of view they need to keep the institution financially viable to survive, yet administrator salaries can be inflated and loan agencies can be brutal.