Forestluv

Well said. I would also say that dynamic appearances and flows integrating aspects of monogamy and polyamory is also natural. I remember 25 years ago when the big debate was whether human homosexuality was "natural". Scientists spent years studying many different species - looking for homosexual behavior. All species showed homosexuality and the scientists concluded that homosexuality was "natural". The official stamp of verification. Then, there was the search for the "gay gene". . . It seemed so reasonable at the time, yet now I look back and giggle

Yes, the appearance of monogamy is also natural. The OP asked if polyamory was natural - it seems that is what the topic is about.

Conceptualizing this stuff is fun and games. It's a walk in the park compared to facing it with direct experience. IME, when the terror came - I could not escape it, control it or avoid it. Part of the terror was being powerless and not being able to stop it. Eventually, I gave up the struggle and surrendered to it - not knowing if I would lose my body and mind. The breakthrough for me came when terror just was. No different than the color purple or a falling leaf. It just was. . . Then, there was deep liberation. After integrating, my empathy for those with anxiety / panic disorders went through the roof. Now I *know*. All the fluffy stuff about moving toward peace and love didn't help. I needed to breakthrough and transcend it such that terror / panic is peace / love. . . Again, it's a piece of cake for me to describe it on the forum - *much* more difficult to walk through it - and I dread the prospect of walking through it again.

Distinctions

I've experienced various "flavors" of mystical / nondual experiences. In one flavor, the timeline dissolves and there is only the eternal now. Another flavor is the one you describe in which the self and many distinctions dissolve - and there is a sense of awareness from a point. The regular "me" dissolves, yet there is still some type of "me" present that is aware. Yet, it still feels weird to describe the experiences using terms like "I" and "me" - since this "regular" self wasn't present. Most of my mystical experiences are in this genre. They can be very profound and intense. I've only ventured deeper one time. Into the null void - absolute nothingness - in which all distinctions dissolve. I dont't think I have experienced the other side of the coin - absolute everything.

That is a delicious recipe for suffering. . . A meal so scrumptious one will return to eat it over and over - seeking to satiate their hunger. Eventually, one will realize it does not, and cannot, fulfill them and make them whole. To a rationalist, both pre-rational and post-rational appear as irrational. Dig deeper into the post-rational zone - into what appears to be irrational magic.

Be mindful of the True "You" and the illusory "you". I think you are looking at it from the rational perspective of the illusory "you". The post-rational perspective is a very different understanding - that is reached through nonverbal, intuitive and post-rational direct experience.

Yes, being one consciousness as nothing/everything. It's not being part of a whole. It is being the whole - no distinctions. It's a bit freaky going there and returning. As well, there is the experience of the self dissolving and being a point of awareness within a larger consciousness. I would consider both as mystical experiences. IME, neither has a sense of separation. For the latter experience, I've heard a teacher describe it as shining light into a paper bag with many holes. The light shines through individual holes, yet they are all part of the same bag and all share the same light.

To connect this to your video on Love: I've found that my experiences with psychedelic-induced madness and losing my mind have opened connections and empathy with people that have "mental illnesses".

I think that is a major component of neurosis.

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The thread is based on polyamory, not polygamy.

That which appears is natural.

Did more than one point of consciousness exist during the nondual experience?

Ego = self = person. That is within an expansive, holistic consciousness. The transcendence of the person is more beautiful and amazing than the person could imagine.

That assumes separation. What separates “my” consciousness from the consciousness of the person I’m talking to? How do you know these are two different points of consciousness? That idea becomes transcended into a more holistic consciousness.

I’m curious why he feels the need to justify his desire for poly relations. If poly is one’s orientation, then go for it. Have good communication, get tested and keep it consensual with everyone involved. There’s no need to make up stories on Evolution to rationalize it. And I bet there are 20+ things things he could do to improve his health that are higher up than banging a harem of women.

That’s cool. It’s fun to talk about it from a self perspective too ? There is also a trans-personal perpective. From this perspective, the self is illusory. Reincarnation beyond the self is fascinating.

@molosku Da Vinci is the highest Yellow-level mind I can imagine.

Yoga with Adrienne on Youtube is fantastic. Could you do it in your home? Perhpas just call it "stretching" or "exercise"?

Yes, pussyboy energy will be activated if the man is wearing pastel clothing - like powder blue or pink. If the man wears camo or hunting gear - direct right side tapping will ignite alpha energy.

@Elysian I would focus on rising to Tier 2. The jump from Tier 1 to Tier 2 is enormous - larger than all the Tier 1 stages combined. Once centered in Tier 2, things flow differently than in Tier 1.

I'd throw in some yoga

At a mechanistic level, you may want to research the DMN. Spiritual activities such as meditation, yoga, psychedelics reduce self-centered DMN connectivity.

@MM1988 I've found shamanic breathing promotes an energetic shift from the mind to body.