Forestluv

Each human is like a neurotransmitter within the giant mind.

That’s a super interesting question I’ve been exploring. I had always considered thoughts and feelings to be connected, yet separate. The deeper I’ve gone, the more that distinction collapses. Thoughts and feelings start to appear as one. One mind-body

I was just contemplating this last night. I was feeling really discouraged and was contemplating why it is so difficult to transmit. I've spent a lot of time trying to convey it and looking back, most of that time seemed of little value and was even counter-productive. I often try to communicate things impersonally, yet quite often people take it personally, often get offended and defensive. At times it seems to cause more harm than good. These days, I try to limit it to people that seem genuinely curious and open. I tried teaching SD to freshman-level college students. Things went ok until we reached Yellow. Then it didn't go so well. I would say only three of 16 students were ready / open and started having real insights and mind expansion. The other students were either disinterested, resistant, frustrated, wanted to intellectually debate and fight, etc.

To me, it sounds like you are saying "Feelings are not absolutely bad or good". and then start talking about them as if they are absolutely bad or good. In a relative context, I agreed with the second part of what you wrote. For example, many people would consider anger as being a bad feeling because when they are angry they often behave in ways that most consider to be harmful to others. That view is useful in the relative world we live in.

To me, it sounds like you are adding in a value judgement, yet are not recognizing that addition. Feelings are not inherently "good" or "bad". That is an additional "something" added in. There is a "nothing" prior to that addition. It's not really "prior", yet that is the easiest way for the mind to comprehend it. Assigning particular feelings value can be helpful to the mind-body that at times, yet that is a distinction the mind adds in. The second part I would agree with. Condemnation, aversion or identification to the feeling can cause tension in the mind-body and keep it in a state of contraction.

I've found trying to convert post-rational back into rational for a rationalist is ineffective. I've found it more effective to bring forth their own direct experience as much as possible. Trying to intellectualize post-intellectual just doesn't seem to work for me. It seems to trigger their intellectual mode of being. And as you said, they want rational proof for the post-rational. Generally, intellectuals have a very strong desire to define what qualifies as "proof". For example, they will say that they want scientific evidence or that we must have critical thinking here. I fell for this trap so many times - trying to supply them rational proof for the post-rational. It's like trying to show them that there is a unique foreign language, yet they insist that you only speak in their native English language. I'm like "how am I supposed to demonstrate this foreign language if we can only use English?" I've been working on non-intellectual modes of being to transmit the post-rational. Empathic, intuitive, energetic modes etc. A vibe. Certain looks, eye contact facial expressions, at a certain time dropping an apple, clapping my hands, speaking in a way that throws their intellectual mode off balance. And using their own direct experience. It is very hard for people to rationalize away their own experience. As well, as I developed more and more post-rational experience, a deeper "knowing" and grounding developed. Intellectuals love debate and intellectuals are used to bullying those at irrational levels and going into combat with other intellectuals. Yet once I had this "knowing" I was no longer thrown off by this. It is like being fluent in the post-intellectual and I think it takes years to develop. Now, when I'm with intellectuals they can sense there is a "something". That there is something different present. I can do all the intellectualizing, yet there is something extra above that. And it often boils down to whether they want to expand. An intellectual that wants to debate and defend their views is not open to receiving. It's generally a waste of time in that scenario.

Imo, there is your key. I think this “ego” is having a hissy fit. Of course the ego allows the ego to exist. Why would love and enjoyment disappear if the ego dissolved? Love and enjoyment is beyond the ego. There is love and enjoyment all around. Beyond what the mind can imagine. Notice how the ego says “Yea, but what’s in it for me?” The ego can resist actualization by setting up terrible scenarios of what would happen if it gives up control. Why not BE love? Why not BE enjoyment?

You’ve got some strong persistence. I’d totally want you on my team for that trait.

@Zega Mother Aya ♥️

Sure, for those on the “frequency”. To others it is undetected or appears as static or jibberish. I should depart now. Too much attention flowing this way. . . A pleasant night to all. Sleep well ?

Hmmm, a Turquoise ninja may have been spotted. I’m not sure tho.

Of course it is within the model. There is also transcendence of the model. Transcendence of the story. From these higher modes of being, what you are doing makes no sense to me. I’m just asking for clarity.

I’m not talking about models. That is an Orange level. I’m talking about Turqoise. That is post-model. I don’t understand why you are staying within intellectual models and critical thinking. You can tell me why from a Turquoise level if you want.

Higher modes can be used. Leo frequently uses them for n conversation. Sure it takes some skill, yet most Turquoise-centered beings don’t have much troybke handling it. Critical thinking and debate are low level Orange tools that are so inefficient. I’m confused why you keep using them. Turqoise tools are so much more superior. It’s like trying to cut down a forest with a pocket knife. I don’t get it.

Yet why would you use an orange-level critical thinking tool to address that? There are much more effective tools at higher post-intellectual conscious levels.

Ruh roh. . . I better get on a 5D frequency and head over to the Lizard Lounge to clear this mess up. Thanks for the heads up, Joe. I totally got fooled on this one. I haven’t reached Coral yet.

Wait a minute. . . if Cetus is stage Blue then who the heck am I communicating with over an inter-dimensional Turquoise channel?

Yea, I realize I went on too long. I trimmed it down.

@Paul92 I've found that relaxing the mind-body is really helpful. Spending time in nature, yoga, relaxation exercises, listening to heart-centered nonduality speakers etc. Also, I've found direct experience is key. Too much analysis and conceptualization just made things worse for me. The practices and direct experience were helpful.

@Paul92 I've found that relaxing the mind-body is really helpful. Spending time in nature, yoga, meditation, hot baths, relaxation exercises, listening to heart-centered nonduality speakers etc. Also, I've found direct experience is key. Too much analysis and conceptualization just made things worse for me. The practices and direct experience were helpful.

@kev014 I've been in this space before. It can be hard to contextualize and integrate these types of trips. For me, sometimes the theme of a trip and insights are crystal clear - for example being shown the Oneness of opposites. There is just a "getting it". Other times, it's a weird energy dynamic without clarity. Here, I just try to be open. I've found if there was some energetic something, a frequency, being, guide, lesson whatever - it would generally show up again later. Other times it's just a wacky experience that ends up in a glass jar in the cupboard and doesn't really get integrated.

Ime, I've found that certain types of substances help with certain tasks. Tasks that involve details, analysis, left-brain, "getting shit done" stuff I'd rather not do. . . Here, nothing beats a low dose of adderall. Tasks that involve big picture thinking, integration, left-right brain synthesis, creativity and human connection. Here, nothing beats a low dose of LSD Tasks that involve solo work that involves contemplation, introspection and immersion/awareness in the moment in which insights arise. Here, nothing beats Modafinil. I rotate the three, based on the activities of my day,

I sprinkle a little bit of freebase ontop of a little herb like parsley. Vape at 428 degrees. You may get a similar effect tho. Blissful, without deep awakening.

It's a relative term and I don't associate any relative morality to the term. If I was pressed to answer I would say "separation".