Forestluv

Seeking is also This. Seek or no seek. It’s all within Everything. Whatever arises, arises. Seeking is within Everything. Not seeking is within Everything.

Like taking a trip in a Self-driving Tesla. Just along for the ride.

The mind-body likes to seek. Didn’t you play hide-n-seek as a kid? It’s part of the human experience. Yet there is no “thing” to find. Everything = No-thing. From the perspective of a person, the journey is the destination. You have already arrived, yet the journey continues.

Time to make some popcorn and watch it unfold ☺️

Desire is an appearance within the mind-body. Rather than create thought stories about it, I’ve found it more helpful to explore my own direct experience of desire. To deeply observe it and deconstruct it. You need not other people’s theories - you have everything within you. You are your best experiment. Put yourself under a microscope and simply observe without criticism, judgement or analysis. The movement of desire through the construct of a timeline is fascinating to observe. The word “something” in the above statement is kinda key ime

It’s about good or bad truth. I found the teacher’s quote to be nonsense. That’s why I wouldn’t listen much. Find beings you resonate with and trust your intuition. You will get glimpses then a really good look.

I wouldn’t listen much to such teachers. In the way of what? Where are we trying to get to? What are we trying to attain? The personality construct is within Everything. It’s not in the way of anything. It’s like saying a fish is in the way of the ocean. . .

How is Everything “a trap”? That is a thought story of the mind. You made it up. The thinking mind loves to create problems and figure out solutions. All part of The Game. There is no problem in need of a solution. Everything is Perfect as it IS.

You get Everything and the ego says: “yea, but what’s in it for me?”.

Desire of Truth for Truth’s sake can be powerful energy for some humans.

A new thread about Leo going on the Joe Rogan show has been merged here.

Observe how thoughts go back and forth - past, future, past, future - back and forth to keep the story in tome going. And thoughts updates the story as it goes along. During meditative times, I like to let the extended story go and be with what is actual. I may sit in nature and observe. Here, thoughts may arise - yet they have a different flavor than the “me” story. A different flavor than the thoughts trying to figure stuff out. Here, if thoughts arise they are inter-connected to feelings, experience and what is appearing all around me right now. This flavor of thought is delicious. It is curious, appreciative, awe.

I love this one. Very nice.

@arlin Language can become fluid and break down. I think self inquiry might be helpful here to get to the underlying substance. When one says “existence is conscious of itself”, what is “existence”? What is “conscious”? Does existence mean “what IS” here? Does conscious mean “aware” here? Is it another way of asking “Is what IS aware of itself”? For existence/reality/ISness to be conscious/aware of itself - there needs to be a “thing” (existence) that another thing is aware of. That’s a duality. Nothing wrong with that, there are beautiful teachings of duality. If someone described existence and conscious in this manner we could understand the relative meaning based on context. . . . Or, one could say that existence/reality/ISness and conscious/aware are all One. Here, there is no separation into separation things. This would be a nondual teaching and it is also beautiful. Both have beauty and value.

This thread reminds me of the Chinese farmer parable of good news / bad news. http://www.rainbowbody.com/newarticles/farmerson.htm

Like the sounds of bird chirps while meditating. ? ☺️

@SQAAD Hey now. . . didn’t we all agree that looking for science articles for proof that there is something wrong with me isn’t the best idea? ? ♥️

Presence

This above video states they will discuss DMT. 5-meo-dmt is very different than dmt.

Trust your intuition ?

That is an assumption that goes through a personal filter leading to a belief that one knows where she is, where she is trying to get to and what she needs to do to get there. My impression is she is in a very different place exploring a very different destination - as she clearly, genuinely and politely communicated - repeatedly. Yet once that filter is in place, such communication will be perceived as being in denial, closed-minded, lacking humility, unwilling to do the work etc. - this serves to maintain the filtered narrative.. . .These same dynamics occur in my mind, it is part of the human mind - experiences and thought stories are constructed into personalities within a timeline. When immersed into it, it is a filter and a mind is not free to listen to what another is trying to communicate. The mind will want to talk over what the other person is trying to communicate. I don’t suggest that “I’m” right and “you” are wrong. It’s a different perspective for a different context.

I now see how the term “diagnosis” is not quite right since it seemed to stimulate a lot of intellect and analysis in others, which I am not referring to. Perhaps a better term would be “getting in tune with”. It’s much broader than an intellectual figuring it out, creating a story/problem and trying to fix it. A main orientation of the thinking mind is to create problems and solve them. This can be counter-productive in exploring deeper aspects of reality. You are bringing in aspects of body feelings, which is a source of wisdom. Observe it play out.

I’m not talking about more analysis and and constructing more complex understanding. I agree that inner work is unique to an individual, yet empathic understanding can reduce the restriction of the uniqueness to the individual. If I wanted to learn to play the guitar and arrived to the first lesson and noticed a dog training session going on, it probably won’t be very helpful. They tell me “you need to do Inner Work with your relationship with your pet dog to form a deep connection with your dog”. That is all fine and dandy, yet I don’t even have a dog and I’m looking to learn to play the guitar. I would realize that I went to the wrong room, politely end the conversation and then continue to look for the guitar lesson room. If I go to the next room over and find the guitar master he might tell me “You need to do some Inner Work with your relationship to the guitar and limiting beliefs that you can’t play the guitar”. Now that Inner Work would be helpful. My comments were not directed at you. They were general, impersonal comments. What you raise about belief systems and anti-belief systems is interesting to me. It’s a form of a duality that is great for exploration. I will likely ponder that as the day goes on ?

That is not what I am trying to communicate. I am not talking about professional levels. It is much simpler than that. If someone asks for directions to New York and I try to give them directions to Yorkshire, it is a miscommunication. One could say “I am giving you tough love to Yorkshire. You are ignorant of Yorkshire and have repressed emotions regarding Yorkshire. You think you are above Yorkshire” etc. That is all a creation that arose from an underlying assumption that the person is looking for Yorkshire. One could spend years working toward Yorkshire and it won’t help them to reach New York. One doesn’t need to be a professional here.

“Inner work” is an extremely broad term. Yes, there is a form of inner work that is always beneficial. Here, I think there is an expansive area within Yellow to explore. Things like integrating Yellow level thinking and emotions to social dynamics. There is tons of fascinating things to explore here. Yet that doesn’t mean all “inner work” is appropriate. What if I told someone they need to do some Inner Work about the death of their dog as the source of their discomfort and they responded “I actually haven’t owned a dog”. And I responded, “well you must be ignorant about your dog’s death and are acting very defensively right now. You need to show humility to do Inner Work on it. . . . “. . . Of course not all situations are this black and white. I am presenting a strong duality here to make the contrast obvious.