Forestluv

@GenuinePerspectiveXC You keep quoting from the abstract. You need to read the entire article and critically analyze the data and descriptions to put it in proper context. Not using terms in the proper context leads to misunderstanding. It seems like you are trying to recontextualize terms and statements to support a pre-conceived view that you hold. A mind which observes and explores data to see what it reveals is very different than a mind that seeks evidence to re-enforce and promote a pre-existing view.

@Kushu2000 I’m trying to illustrate you are seeing it as a personal consciousness. There is a “higher” level. I’m not disagreeing with you within your context

@Kushu2000 Is a character in your dream conscious!?

Be-Golden

@Schahin This is placing conditions upon enlightenment into an image of what enlightenment should look like. That’s like asking “if someone awakens to the ISness of Now, could they still experience frustration?” Of course, that is ISness just like joy and tuna sandwiches are ISness. In the context of personal development, there can still be underlying psychological dynamics that had been conditioned into the human mind and body. The mind and body may still experience anxiety and neuroses that involves work to resolve. However. . . I don’t mean to suggest that what I wrote here is true and it’s opposite is false.

@TheAvatarState I think the idea of music as a universal means of communication among humans and non-humans is super interesting. I don’t mean to be a technical metaphysical cop here and spoil the fun. ? I often notice animals communicating with each other via what I would consider music - such as bird songs and whale calls. Could plants and animals have forms of music humans are not “in tune with”? I often observe flying insects like butterflies dance together in the air. Are they in tune with a form of music humans are not? Could humans create music that resonates with animals and plants?

@TheAvatarState It depends if you want to draw distinctions or not. Is a jadakot relative? Well what the heck is a jadakot? We would need to make it a thing that is not another thing. We can create distinctions and say a jadakot is the size of a football and in the ocean. Now we have a thing relative to other things that are not the size of a football and are not in the ocean. Yet we don’t have a thing relative to other things the size of a football that live in the ocean. At this point, all things the size of a football in the ocean are jadakots. We could draw more distinctions if we wanted to. Simply creating the distinction of “music” already makes it relative in many contexts. For example, music is not a tuna fish sandwich. We can create an infinite number of distinctions and aspects of relativism.

@Pouya To me, the term “perspective” suggests a particular view that is not another alternative view. It also suggests personal ownership of the perspective. For example, his perspective from the balcony differs from her perspective in the garden. Or, her perspective on the value of psychotherapy for treatment differs than his. Yet in other areas, I’m not so sure. Yesterday, I was in the woods and was curious about a deer ahead. Is that a perspective? I tried to mimic bird calls by whistling. A perspective? I wondered what random thoughts would be like and stuff like “Naclof dajaff hisfid slojik” flowed through my mind and I wondered if it was nonsensical or “post logical” intuitive impulses arising that made sense in a way I couldn’t understand. It didn’t seem like a perspective, I also wondered how chubby bumble bees can fly. That didn’t seem like a perspective either. Just groundless stuff floating around through my mind without an owner.

Ignition

I realize this is a stereotype, yet it’s the first thing that popped in my mind: An “exotic” person and environment. A Native American (of the U.S) or South American. Dressed in a type of traditional clothing. There might be face paint or a mask. There is traditional music. The setting is in nature: the Sierra, desert, forest or jungle. There is burning of dried plants such as sage, yet not incense. There is mystical activity that seems like dream realms (this may or may not involve medicine/drugs).

Tongue-tied

Done

@pluto Nice imagery ? ♥️

For sure. Importantly, your view and direct experience is True and a deep awakening. These are a couple parts of “The Ox”.

You are seeing Everything as a collection of all things - that is a totally legit way of seeing it and I do not disagree with that. . . Yet there is another something here. . . When asked to name one of those things that is not Everything, we cannot. Therefore, Everything is not any thing. It is no thing. . . Which thing is Everything? None of them! Another way of looking at it. . . If Everything is Truth, how can the opposite of what we say not be Truth? Thus, Everything is Truth and Nothing is Truth.

“And I begin dreaming” ?

Voila! ?

Name a thing that is not Everything. . .

Is it Boston?

@Conrad Everything = no thing. Every single thing is Everything. There is no single thing that is not everything. Therefore, Everything means there is no thing. Everything = no thing = Nothing Everything = Nothing

Yes. Less than everything is also everything. Of course. And also nothing There is no outside or inside, yet that which is outside of inside would be considered outside. Yes. And God is nothing as well. Nothing is Everything. Everything you and I write is true and false. This is the Groundless Grounding.

Yep. A fountain of infinite ISness eternally Now.

By realizing the light of dark and the dark of light.

Yep. ? ♥️ Also a reason for silent retreats and solo retreats.

I’ve noticed that too.