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@inFlow Growth is infinite ♥️ ?

I’d like to add that holding speculation as knowing is widespread. In science, we do tons of speculation. This can be beneficial in that it allows space to explore possibilities and to develop new models. Yet problems occur when speculation is held, portrayed or received as knowing. This happens a lot in science and it compromises the efficacy of science. Sometimes holding speculation as knowing can be mostly subconscious - other times it’s conscious and intentional - which raises ethical issues. I’ve been at science conferences in which fights over speculation vs. knowing turned into bloodbaths. It can be a battle to control the narrative and claim a type of power.

On some trips, not knowing what you ingested or the dose could cause a really bad dynamic. . .

I would vote for the highest consciousness candidate with a shot at winning, so in this case - most likely candidate B. However, if A and B were similar and I only had a slight preference for B and really liked C - I’d vote C to help support that party for the long run.

@Yog The rational mode of communication isn’t working for me here and I’m unable to find another channel to communicate on. . . I wish you the best on your path ♥️ ?

Letting go of one’s own POV and really understanding another’s POV, expands the mind and reduces suffering due to attachment/identification and separation. If you were a young attractive woman that had to deal with unwelcomed sexual advances from guys many times everyday and it made you feel uncomfortable and unsafe - do you think you would have the exact same opinion about masculine toxicity as you have now? Really try to imagine what it would feel like to be her and have to live with this everyday. If you can do this at a deeper level than the intellect, it will be mind expanding and you will be able to relate to a wider range of people. As well, one could directly ask women what’s it’s like and really try to understand her as if it was you. This isn’t an intellectual issue. You aren’t writing a thesis on this for school. This is a personal issue driven by emotions. You have a set of emotions that you are uncomfortable with. She also has a set of emotions that she is uncomfortable with. Try to imagine, experience and understand her feelings and what she has to go through. Women are the ones who bear the brunt of toxic masculinity. It seems to me they should have a large say in what counts as toxic masculinity. They are the ones that have to deal with most of that crap.

Not when someone has embodied it. An empath quickly knows a cold heart. They receive this gift at green and it becomes a superpower at Turquoise.

You missed the context. Notice how your mind wants to control the context and the narrative. You are seeing it through your POV and want to define what toxic masculinity is. I asked you to see it through another POV and consider what toxic masculinity is from that POV. Yet you simply restated your POV. And I’m still curious. . . Can you tell me some of the precautions you take everyday to protect yourself from sexual harassment and sexual assault?

We don’t see the green because there is no green. No excuses. If you want to see what a psychologist who has embodied green looks like, watch Gabor Mate. Night and day. JP ain’t got it. And notice how you assert JP’s Green-ness with Orange intellect. If you want to highlight one’s green-ness why not use green modes of communication? Orange-splaining green sounds quite silly.

Question answered in previous thread linked above.

You are seeing Now as a subset of infinite possibilities. Let’s look around now. Hmmm, no unicorns, no belly dancers, no giant spiders, no Coldplay music around me now. So obviously, not all of the infinite possibilities are happening right now. That is one side of the duality and a legit perspective. Can you also see that Now is infinite? This is not an intellectual thing. It is a direct experience thing. Now is infinite. There are no possibilities outside of infinite Now. However, this does not suggest the opposite is false. The key is to not be locked into oppositions - that if a thing is true, that means it’s opposition is false. Let go of the opposition and see the truth as itself - opposing nothing. Regarding coincidence. . . it’s a thought story. Drop that story and be amazed by the magic of synchronicities all around you.

This is precisely why JP is Orange. Orange can use both blue (binary mode) and Orange (logical, analysis, spectral modes). This is expected of an Orange level person. Some Orange level people can be highly sophisticated in blue and Orange modes - especially philosophers and scientists. As well, an Orange level person does not necessarily bash lower stages - especially when they have significant grounding in that stage (JP still has grounding in blue). As well, someone can have rudimentary ability with integral and systems thinking and not be tier2 yellow. As I’ve said, Orange often finds yellow thinking to be attractive. They may try to bypass green and emulate yellow. Yet that ain’t it. JP lacks green modes of being and relating. As well he has attachment/identification to his ideas, is contracted within objectivism and has not embodied relativism. How can a being be integral if they lack green modes and relativism? How can one have yellow level fluidity when they are contracted within personality dynamics and attached/identified to ideas and see their own ideas of objective and not relative? Show me one video in which JP communicates through post-rational modes - there are none, because he can’t. I’m not saying JP is not highly intelligent. Quite the contrary - I think he is quite high in certain (Orange) areas of intelligence. I’m not saying JP doesn’t have insights - I think he has many insights and has made contributions to psychology. As well, saying a person is not Tier2 is not demeaning or any less of a person - that form of hierarchy is no longer used that way in Tier2.

@Yog I didn’t say JP cannot philosophize about an external, universal, objective reality. That is at an Orange level. Orange intellectuals can be very sophisticated with philosophy, including metaphysics and existentialism. Rather, I said JP has a fundamental belief in an external, universal, objective reality. I should add “moral” in there as well. . . . The term “belief” is probably not the best. The term “assumption” or “orientation” may be better, since awareness of this is revealed in Tier2 - of which JP has not embodied. It is common to confuse sophisticated Orange intellect for yellow. Someone can have a sky high intellect and still be Orange. Yellow is a transcendence of the intellect. That is one reason green is so important, because non-intellectual modes of being and communicating arise. Rising into Tier2, the personality construct is largely transcended and intellectual (Orange) and non-intellectual (Green) modes of being become integrated and the being utilizes all modes of being (although their may be more weight toward certain modes). Once yellow is embodied, deficiencies are totally obvious (such as JPs deficiencies in green and lack of understanding/embodiment of yellow level relativism).For someone transitioning into Tier2, they start learning how to spot it. For example, Orange intellectuals will want to identify as Yellow and disregard green. They will come across as a faker, regardless of their intellectual level. They can go sky high with Orange intellect, yet that ain’t it. An Orange that wants to identify as yellow will not understand green or be able to use those modes of communication. Someone like Wilbur can skimp on green and have deficiencies, yet one cannot fully bypass it and be a well-integrated Yellow. A reliance on intellect is another sign that JP shows. That is his only tool and that’s an Orange tool. Thirdly, relativism. Not intellectual conceptualization of relativism. Direct experience and embodiment of relativism is key. JP doesn’t have it. Lastly, depersonalization. JP has attachment and identification to his ideas and worldview. That attachment/identification becomes dissolved.

@outlandish Yea, China seems primed for a red-level opportunistic takeover. I wonder if China has been licking their chops on this for a while and sense this is their opportunity to strike. McConnell and Pelosi issued strong statements against China adding in there will be consequences of China invades. Yet, Trump refereed to the protests as a “riot” - which plays to China’s narrative that the protestors are a violent mob. Trump’s most measured response was both sides-ism. What I find interesting is that Trump is pissed off at China over failed trade negotiations and entered a trade war that could harm the economy, farmers and his re-election chances. Yet he seems ok when China acts as an authoritarian. He could be using this to put even more harm and stigma onto China. He could frame it that China is doing crooked business with the U.S. AND they are immoral tyrants that harm their own people. Yet Trump compartmentalizes the two - China is an economic adversary, yet a fellow authoritarian. . . .It’s like two schoolyard bullies fighting with each other. One bully says “Hang on while I go kick that nerd’s ass and take his lunch money. I’l be back in five minutes to fight you some more”. The other bully is like “ok, whatever”.

The phrase “just approaching a woman” sounds so innocent. “Gosh, all I did was approach her. . .” It is context dependent. In some situations, approaching a woman could be very romantic. In some situations, approaching a woman could be heroic. In some situations, approaching a woman can be toxic. Try to imagine this from the woman’s POV. Imagine you are an attractive 25 y.o. woman and you have to endure more than 10 unwelcomed sexual advances from men everyday. At work, in restaurants, at parties, while shopping. . . Many of these advances are from creepy guys trying to get laid. Some give you annoying winks, some call you “baby”, some approach you with physical intimidation. Some rub themself on you. Even when you try to show disinterest by moving away, they persist. It feels icky and it happens 10+ times a day. It sucks. Now imagine yourself as this woman walking home after work, similar to the Gillette commercial. There are a group of men catcalling at you and saying you have a nice ass. This feels really uncomfortable to you, so you try to walk by them quickly and just get away from them. One of the men follows you and approaches you saying how cute you are baby - let’s get together and have some fun. .From the perspective of the woman, this situation is clearly toxic masculinity. If I saw this play out, I hope I would have the masculine courage to step in and tell the guy to back off. A question I have for you: can you tell me some of the precautions you take on a daily basis to protect yourself from sexual harassment and assault?

I wouldn’t consider any of those traits to inherently be “toxic masculinity”. Yet I can see in some contexts, something like “being a ruler” can get out of hand and become toxic. Do you think in some situations “taking the lead” or “being a ruler” can be toxic masculinity? Doesn’t it depend on the situation? What if a group of women at my work were organizing a retirement party for one of our co-workers. I notice there are no men in the group, so I decide to insert myself and express masculinity by taking the lead and being a ruler. I tell them we aren’t going to do the party that way. We are going to do it by my lead and rule. No flowers. No sissy farewell cards. No soft music. I want a pool party with lots of booze, drugs, women in bikinis and rock-n-roll music. I’m the masculine man leading and ruling you women and that’s how it is. In this situation, would you say that taking the lead and being a ruler would be toxic?

You have an opportunity here to expand your capacity to love. Yet you would need to acknowledge and let go of some conditioning in your mind and body. It can be uncomfortable, yet it is well worth it. Expanding one’s capacity to love is deeply profound and transformative.

I regularly express masculinity and have never been accused of being toxically masculine. As well, none of my male friends are accused of being toxically masculine. I’m curious what you consider “masculinity in general” to be.

Yea. Causation expands into an infinite number of causative inputs and collapses into One - as do all dualities. This is one route to get to One No-thing.

I was in a similar situation and couldn’t re-orient. I learned a lot about myself, yet it was a bumpy emotional ride - a roller coaster at times. If I entered a dating scenario with an agreement to be open, I’d have a good chance of orienting myself. Yet if I’m in a monogamous relationship for months, we develop connection and bonding, and I’m really into her and us - I can’t re-orient. Once that is established, I can’t just shift gears and say “OK, let’s have sex with other people now”. I just can’t do it - especially since it would be likely that she was the only one sleeping with other people. It would completely change the dynamics we had. Some people might see that as a good thing, but not for me - if I felt love and connection with her. I could prolly do it If we were more like sexual play toys with each other or if we start off with an agreement of poly. Yet once I develop a loving monogamous connection, I can’t shift. . . I wish you the best on your endeavor.

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What is a hallucination and what is a non-hallucination. Look around at the colors around you. All hallucinations. There are no colors. There are wavelengths of colorless light that stimulate biochemical reactions in the brain and then the visual cortex creates the hallucination of color. It makes it up. What you see as color could also be hallucinated as smells if those wavelengths of light got routed through the olfactory system. . . Listen to the sounds around you. All hallucinations. Soundless air disturbances that get hallucinated as sound. Those sounds you think exist could be hallucinated as colors if the sensation of soundless air disturbances were routed by the thalamus to the visual cortex. None of that information is objectively “real”. Colors are colorless. Sounds are soundless. Snakes and butterflies hallucinate differently than humans. Each of us is hallucinating whether or not we are on psychedelics. We just assume our sober hallucinations are “real” and psychedelic-induced hallucinations are not real.

@Moreira I’m open to the idea that there was external input with his death, yet I don’t think that necessarily means a coordinated murder plot. That would be a huge risk for law enforcement officials to take. Epstein showed suicidal signs and could have been placed in unbearable conditions. The prison conditions he was under at the the MCC were horrendous. Infested with rats, insects, defecation. Low light, extreme temperatures, lack of sleep etc. I can see how this could be leveraged psychologically by isolating him, limiting his access to a lawyer and telling him all the evidence being released, people turning on him etc - that he is screwed and gonna live the rest of his life suffering or get the death penalty. This is such a radical shift from his previous reality and I could see how that would steer someone toward suicide.

The stakes look really for the people in Hong Kong. If they lose, they will a lot of sovereignty. China is now referring to protestors as demotic terrorists and brought tanks to the border. Protestors shutting down the airport seems like they are desperately reaching out for international support. They are getting international coverage, yet I’m not seeing much support. The extradition bill seems like an obvious power grab that threatens agreed-upon sovereignty of Hong Kong. I’m curious why international leaders haven’t voiced more concern and support for Hong Kong. Hong Kong is an international economic center and travel hub. And it seems like situation to take moral high ground. Are international leaders concerned about damaging Chinese relations and retaliation from China?

There is a mountain of evidence against him, including his own guilty pleas and convictions.