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It’s much milder than smoking. There is only a tiny burn. And each breath is a baby step. 3-4 breaths does me good. Yet it’s not like an overwhelming breakthrough wave. For that I would plug. Vaping at 428F is very gentle.

I think the vaporization temperature is more important than melting temperature. I think 428F is below the optimal vaping temperature, so it is slow - which I like because it allows me more control over the intensity. If I want to be overwhelmed, I’ll plug. As well, 428F is likely inefficient, yet inly a few mgs are needed so the losses are minimal. I’ll do two rounds on my vape.

Please don’t post while tripping. Have a wonderful trip and let us know how it went afterwards. ♥️ ♥️ ? ?

One common strategy is to manipulate the pain/pleasure dynamic to your advantage. Try to create an environment/mindset in which procrastination/screwing off is more painful than taking action. And taking action is more pleasurable than procrastination. Second, set up both short term and long-term goals. Third set up accountability. Fourth create a habit. Fifth create an inspiring social group. Sixth create a lifestyle. Seven - give back and help others that are struggling like you had. Eight, along the way - maintain momentum through PD work and identifying blocks. For example, if someone is overweight and out of shape, they could write down how painful it is to be unhealthy and out of shape. How painful it is to be missing out on things in life. They could also write about how pleasurable it would be to be in great shape. All the exciting new things they would do. How awesome it would be to feel and look healthy and strong. Yet this can’t be half-assed. You only get one real shot at it and have to go “all in”. The pain needs to feel painful and the pleasure pleasurable. This person could set a short term goal of running a 5k in a month, a 10k in two months, a half-marathon in six months and a full marathon in a year. This person could set up accountability by telling their friends and family their goals. They can find a training partner to go to the gym and run. You hold each other accountable and don’t let each other down. You celebrate small accomplishments. You join a local group of runners and are now surrounded by healthy people. Within the running group you are exposed to all sorts of new healthy things on life. You have created a habit. After a month or so the new normal is working out and running. After a year or so, it is a new lifestyle and living any other way would seem weird. You are no longer trying to be a healthy person. You now ARE a healthy person. And you can inspire others that are struggling with watching YT/gaming all day. And it always starts Now. Right now, write down two things you have been procrastinating and avoiding. Then write a list of all the pain of procrastinating and all the pleasure of taking action. Then write two action steps that would lead to significant progress toward that end. It could be making a phone call, cleaning, running a mile etc. Then take that action Now. Get psyched up and do it. Then feel that small sense of empowerment. Start some momentum to change orientation.

@Raptorsin7 Enlightened/mystical experiences are difficult to predict or create there are so many variables. Even people that have dedicated their entire lives to teaching awakening cannot willfully transmit it to another. Consider people that spend years in therapy. The counselor may know the person’s block, yet is often unable to stimulate that in the patient, such that the patient has an “Ah ha!” realization and “gets it”. In a way, it’s like getting struck by lightening. It’s rare, yet we can increase our chances. We could climb to the top of a hill during a thunderstorm and hold up a metal rod to the sky. If that person was wearing a rubber suit, the odds would go down. Similarly, there are various methods to help induce getting struck by spiritual realization lightening. If someone is meditating drunk, I would say the chances go down. If someone was obsessed with getting revenge on someone, the odds go down. If someone is ocd worrying about failing a chemistry exam, the odds go down. I knew a recovering alcoholic who told me about his last drink. He took his seven year old son out boating to go fishing. He drank for hours and got sloppy drunk. His son fell out of the boat and was struggling to get back in. The drunken father was yelling and slipping as he sorta tried to get his son back in the boat. Then he had a moment of clarity. He said it was like an out of body experience in which he clearly saw himself and his son. He saw the fear and struggle in his son. Not just fear of drowning, also the fear the son had of the drunken father. He observed himself in relation to his son. No rationalized bullshit, justifications, defenses, avoidances etc. He saw clearly for a moment and it stuck. He said he snapped back into him and no longer felt drunk and was now on a new path. That was his last drink. I met him 20 years after that incident and he said he still remembers it like it was yesterday. Timeless and transcendent. His relationship with his son was transformed and he started to help other alcoholics to recover. . . . This is a rare event, yet it happens. How and why does it happen? We don’t know. Was it divine intervention? Or perhaps trillions of inputs that came together at that one moment to create a “big bag” awakening. . . . The closet we have at his point to stimulate such awakenings is psychedelics. They greatly increase the chance, yet the odds are still relatively low on a single trip. There are so many factors. Yet as we learn more about the mechanism of psychedelics that number will increase. @SoonHei Great video. I haven’t come across Paul. He expresses nonduality well. Thanks ?

@Paulus Amadeus Consistency is part perception. Part of what you refer to as consistency are neurological “brain maps”. This allows the mind to create consistent images of physical things such as trees, signs and buildings. This allows the mind to filter out the majority of your perceptual field so the mind only has to process a small portion. Most of your visual perception is internal brain activity. . . As well, each of your senses is processed at a different rate. It takes your brain about 0.5 sec. to coordinate all the senses to give the perception that everything is happening together “now”. We can scramble these maps using psychedelics. As well, different organisms have very different perceptions. . . . Imagine having the following perception: 1 min psychedelic, 1 min dog, 1 min ant, 1 min. schizophrenic, 1 min. lucid dream, 1 min. “normal” human. This 6 min. cycle repeats over and over in random order. How consistent would perception be?

Death vs Life is a duality you create. Nothing wrong with that, it cones in handy. If you create a construct of death defined as “death is the termination of the physical body” and after a trip you “come back to that body”, you have not died (according to your definition of “death” you have created).

@Raptorsin7 It seems like you are using a personal construct of enlightenment. In this context, any person can become enlightened yet there are different likelihoods. It would be more likely that a master yoga teacher becomes enlightened than Trump. Many alcoholic/drug addict may have the disadvantage of being immersed in delusion, chaos and self survival. Yet many may have the advantage of extreme suffering. I’ve met many alcoholics/drug addicts that suffered badly for a long time and had awakenings. This is one idea based on how a person might create a construct of “enlightenment”. There are many other creations possible.

@fridjonk With 5-meo, I would use the term “clearer” rather than “cleaner”.

I’ve vaped with a standard vape commonly used for dry herb. 428F gives me good results. It probably isn’t the most efficient, yet inly a few mgs are needed. As well, it doesn’t have the wave like effect of plugging

@ardacigin You make good points from a personal/human perspective. Many of the issues you raise are very important to a person/human. In particular, your orientation has a destination in mind. A thing to achieve. A place to arrive. Relatively, that destination appears to be highly valuable to a person/human. Yet it is exclusive. For example, you seem to create two categories: a temporary psychedelic-induced “altered reality” and a permanent sober real enlightened reality to be attained. In doing so, a story is created in which psychedelics are some temporary alteration of mind to be used as a tool to achieve a goal of an abiding sober enlightened consciousness. This is a relative orientation. Having such an orientation will contract a mind (regardless of how deep and profound that orientation appears to the human). Notice the following orientation: psychedelic mindstates can be a tool or distraction to an ideal sober mindstate. This is in opposition to the orientation: sober mind states can be a tool or distraction to an ideal psychedelic mind state. If the destination was to achieve an ideal psychedelic state, then everything you are writing gets flipped. Now, SDS sits becomes the distraction. Yet this will be very difficult for a conditioned human mind to see and accept. 99.99% of humans mind conditioning is toward a sober orientation. If 99.99% of human life history and mind was conditioned in psychedelic state, humans would have the opposite orientation - the psychedelic state would be normal/sober and the non-psychedelic state would be a temporary alternative reality. By considering psychedelics as an altered state that can be a tool or distraction from achieving a “real” non-psychedelic destination, there is an assumption that the standard of what is real and what should be attained is non-psychedelic. With this assumption, one will not be able to see (or accept) that the psychedelic state is as real as sober state and sober state is as hallucinatory as psychedelic state. Psychedelic vs. sober is a duality and with enough direct experience, this duality collapses, like all dualities. One begins to see inter-relationships between psychedeluc ad sober. One sees grey areas and begins to question “what is psychedelic? What is sober? What aspects of real-ness are within psychedelic? What aspects of hallucination is with sober?”. This opens a whole new world of realizations and awakenings. Eventually the duality collapses: sober = psychedelic and psychedelic = sober. This is not simply theory. One can directly experience this in that they have a difficult time distinguishing between the two mind states. They don’t know if they are on 5-meo or not. There is no longer “”breakthrough”. Yet ime collapsing thus duality takes a lot of experience and work - both in psychedelic and sober realms. . . . During my first Aya ceremony, I sat next to a man who had done over 100 ceremonies. Before the ceremony, I asked alit of questions about the altered Aya state of mind and how to use that toward sober awakening. He told me that the two worlds will gradually come closer together until they are One. It seemed so foreign to me at the time. Yet after over 100 trips, I now know what he was pointing to. You are tripping right now, yet don’t realize it.

@jd1279 They have different orientations, intentions and desires. In terms of SD, Trump is a mixture of red, blue and lower orange. Bernie is solid Green.

I’m referring to a different context and perspective. We are not on the same frequency.

You’ll be fine with 5 inches. There are so many variables. If you can make intimate emotional connections and know how to use your tongue and all 5 inches, you are fine. If you were sportin’ a two incher, that would still be a different story. . . And too long wouldn’t be so good. If you had a nine incher, you couldn’t go balls deep with most women because you would hit her cervix and cause her pain. You wouldn’t be able to go hard with pelvises slamming - which a lot of women like.

That is the newbie course. . . The masters course is 52.5 miles per day for 100 days.

Social intelligence.

@Key Elements I’m not saying Ghandi wasn’t a good leader. He was a great leader within a context. It isn’t an either or thing for me. I’m not taking a position opposite to yours. There are different approaches and traits of good leaders. It is context dependent. You have offered some great traits for certain contexts. There are other traits of good leaders and other contexts. . . . I would say one ability of a leader of leaders would be able to have a holistic view, be able to integrate various traits and skills of leaders, have vision for which traits/skills/approach is best for a given situation. They wouldn’t take a one size fits all approach. From an integrative holistic view, Ghandhi’s leadership skill set is an important piece, yet there is more. It goes deeper and broader.

@TrynaBeTurquoise I’ve had such experienced it, yet as soon as my mind contextualizes it, it is lost.

@Key Elements Fun video. Yes that is a form of empowerment and it takes a lot of courage. I can see a lot of value in empowerment, leading quietly through example and understanding that those who cause harm may do so due to their own trauma and by acting out unconsciously. Yet I also see some situations with power dynamics that are so imbalanced that the recipient of harm has no chance of gaining sufficient empowerment to overcome their oppressor and it’s helpful for leaders to directly intervene and be noticed. For example young children being traumatized in cages in the border have no chance of getting empowered enough to overcome their oppressors. I think behind the scenes quiet leadership to address the situation is helpful. I also think leaders directing inserting themselves, confronting oppressors and bringing it to the attention of society is also helpful. I volunteered for years in a psychiatric ward. Most of the patients I worked with were female victims of domestic violence. It would be great to empower women such that they can stand up to their abuser and smack him down like in the video. Yet that is not the reality I saw in the hospital. These women were virtually powerless. They were trapped in abusive homes and had nowhere to turn. No family, friends or social support system. They had no financial resources, lack of education and were dependent on their abuser for shelter and food. They were generally gaslighted and terrified to take any action that would upset their abuser. Most had been taken into the psychiatric ward after attempting suicide. The power dynamic was soooo far tilted toward the abuser that the video you posted looks like a naive and bizarre portrayal of domestic violence and how to address.

@Key Elements Yes, in some contexts leading by planting seeds can be a great way to lead. In Trump, I see a man that has experienced trauma and as been conditioned to behave as he does. He can’t help it and doesn’t know how to play the cards he has been dealt. Yet the same is true for a man that is sexually abusing others. One could say they got dealt a bad hand and don’t know how to play that hand and are acting unconsciously. Yet they are also causing a lot of harm to others and that doesn’t help those that are being harmed. . . . I din’t think 100% anti-trump confrontational leadership is best, yet I also don’t think 100% seed planting is best. I think a combination is best. In regards to the female victim, of course we could help with healing and empowerment. Yet that wasn’t what I was pointing at. To make it more dramatic: imagine spotting a man beating and raping a woman in the park. Helping her with victim mentality and personal empowerment may be beneficial down the line - yet if this guy kills her in the park, there won’t be any victim to empower. The first thing we need to do is step in, confront the man and get him off her.

Gotcha ? You seem to suggest an external god as you say “developing itself”. What is “itself”? As well, you say god is magical “beyond just IS”. I’m not sure if you are creating dualistic categories or trying to describe facets of One diamond. I think your questions have been getting deeper and more advanced over the past month or so. As you go deeper into nonduality and into the collapse of dual/nondual, intellectual concepts won’t be center-stage anymore. It will provide structural support. Nonverbal things like intuition, empathy, beingness, essence, presence, knowing, Now etc will become more impactful.

@Key Elements There are various contexts and contextualizations. . . . If you saw a young vulnerable woman being overpowered and sexually abused by a man, how would you respond? How would we lead in this situation without anyone knowing we exist? . . . To me, it seems best to insert myself into the situation with a sense of ethical authority. To pull the man off of his victim and tell him that his behavior is inappropriate and that it will not be allowed to continue. Yet I would do this in a firm and empathetic way. I understand that the man may have been sexually molested himself as a child and may be suffering with his own internal demons. I would acknowledge that and offer him help to heal through that - either through myself or professional counseling. Yet the sexual harassment of vulnerable women will not be allowed to continue. If necessary, I would bring the situation to community leaders and offer assistance if I might be helpful. Yet I wouldn’t pursue any recognition or awards for doing what’s right.

“Destined” is another construct and another can of worms. I would probably phrase it “The happening of the ball being passed is the happening of the ball being passed”. Humans love to think about causation of happenings because it is intimately tied to personal identity, responsibility, functioning in society and survival. . . . It’s very simple in that Now is Now and what is happening Now is perfectly happening Now. Yet the underlying mechanism of causation can get very complex. I’ve tried to integrate all the different inputs influencing causation of a happening like passing the soccer ball. It starts off simple like “the player just passed the ball”. Yet it then expands to many many inputs - how much training did the person have, how much sleep, the weather, the texture of the field, the shoes he was wearing, the neurotransmitters in his brain, his balance and muscle contraction in that moment, what he had for breakfast. . . And each of those inputs also have inputs. It soon expands into infinity and the construct collapses. . . Another way to look at it is that there is a trans-personal god-like source of intention influencing causation. In a traditional sense, religions create an external god that can decide and control happenings (yet also granted humans free will). A more modern construct is of a nondual god essence. I find this somewhat interesting, yet it hasn’t resonated strongly with me.

When you see someone in a happy relationship, why not feel happy for them? Feel happy because they don’t have to go through what you had to go through.

@Schahin Imagine identifying as a character within a dream. If You realize you are dreaming, it becomes a lucid dream. The dream continues, yet you are aware it is dream. It can be super cool - as long as the dream character surrenders. If the dream character throws a hissy fit and tries to hold onto control, things could get ugly. This happened to me one time while I was doing a “reality check” with pin a dream. The reality check worked, yet the dream character refused to accept it and tried to maintain control - things got messy. When the Big You, realizes You are dreaming, the duality between dream and reality dissolves. It can become magical. Yet from the human perspective, there can still be sucky parts - getting sick, breaking a leg, feeling pain or hunger etc.