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@Judy2 haha even when you complete the value assessment, you’re gonna change your values again in 2 years, 4 years, 5 years. Don’t think too hard about it. Use ChatGPT if necessary

@Monke you’re doing good at 25, don’t take your degree and skill for granted. You have a route to continue making great money. unless you have a concrete plan to make money from art ( if that’s your plan ) then keep using your degree. The artistic path is just gonna take you on an internal journey, sure you’ll meet more liberal/alternative thinking people then who knows what will happen but your just gonna get experiences unless you find a way to make money. take it from me, I completed Leo’s life’s purpose course at 19, I spent the last 8 years busting my ass to actualize it, after all that I’m going back to school to learn a trade but who knows maybe your different.

I’ve been sitting with this for a while and wanted to hear from people who’ve actually gone deep and then stopped (or heavily reduced) their use. For years I’ve used psychedelics as a core part of my path. I’ve had all the classic insights drilled into me: Mind and reality are one The ego is a construction Life is a dream / appearance in consciousness “You’re not the body, not the story” Cool. Got it. Burned into my nervous system. But here’s the problem I’m running into now: Is there a point where more trips just deepen detachment and spiritual bypassing instead of helping? How did you personally decide, “Okay, enough chemistry, now it’s integration and real-world action”? What signs told you psychedelics were becoming a crutch or an escape rather than a tool because look at Steve Jobs. He took plenty of LSD & created a successful company. I just had a traumatic experience and I’m not sure if psychedelics with a spiritual practitioner would help.

@Recursoinominado There’s a funny quote ” spirituality without your ability to control reality is vanity . ” it’s true some people can be healers and clairvoyant and see the future but they can’t manage their own bank account or create sustainable income for themselves or even worse, can’t get a blow job lmao.

@LambdaDelta that was beautiful brother thank you. It sounds like you’ve taken a lot of psychedelics. Since 2021 I’ve taken 5 MEO DMT with a breath work practitioner probably 15+ times and I’ve been taking LSD since 2017. I’ve never taken psychedelics week after week or month after month, I’ve always spaced it out. I feel like it all comes down to loving our 3D reality and playing this infinite game of life with the spiritual tools we have.

@Sincerity 😊

I’m 27, and a few weeks ago I got hit by a car while crossing the street. I’m not writing this for sympathy. I’m writing because it feels like this accident “ripped me out of my fantasies,” and I want to unpack the spiritual side of it with people who actually think deeply about this stuff. Quick background For context: I’ve been on the personal development / spirituality grind for about 8–9 years straight. Heavy focus on: Pickup / social skills / dating Music (I rap / sing, record and mix my own stuff) Business/marketing (SMMA, content, etc.) Spirituality: meditation, kundalini, psychedelics (including 5-MeO), karma, nonduality, etc. I’ve worked with a long-term spiritual teacher who studied under Namgyal Rinpoche. For years I basically saw him as “the guy” – my growth teacher, enlightened, at the highest level of development, etc. My self-image for most of my 20s was: “I’m the dedicated one. I’m special. I’m spiritually ahead of the curve. This struggle is all building toward a big win: music success, women, money, influence, etc.” On top of that, this year I: Moved downtown to really go all-in on music + a social media / automation agency. Got scammed by a Tai-Lopez-type company for the agency side. Paid for music marketing that didn’t deliver on what was promised. So even before the car, the story of “my big breakthrough is right around the corner” was already cracking. The accident: I was crossing a street I’ve crossed many times before (yes, technically jaywalking, like most people do on that stretch). The road looked clear when I started crossing. A car came faster than I expected; next thing I know, I’m hit and thrown. I end up with: Leg injuries (casts, pain, limited mobility) Dental trauma (teeth moved, dental work, follow-ups) General shock to my system - I’m psychically healing and will most likely be back to normal by new years, thankfully. What hurts most isn’t just the body – it’s the story collapse Before the accident, I was doing: A lot of gratitude work Daily spiritual practices “Manifestation” / self-concept work Deep belief in things like “frequency,” “karma clearing,” “life by design” I also had this subconscious narrative: “I’m on a special path. My teacher is enlightened. I’ve done 5-MeO. I’m not like ‘normal’ people stuck in the rat race. My reward is coming.” Then: I get scammed financially. My big marketing plans fizzle. I start questioning if my teacher is actually my growth teacher for this next phase or if I’ve been over-idealizing him. I get hit by a car in a very ordinary, human, non-mythic way. Emotionally, it feels like: The “chosen one” story died. The fantasy of “I’ll be successful by 27” died. The idea that “if I do enough spiritual work, life will spare me from big painful events” died. Spiritually, what I think is happening I’m not saying this is The Truth, but this is the frame I’m playing with: Grief for the fantasy self I’m grieving not just the accident, but the version of me who thought: “I’m ahead of everyone spiritually.” “My teacher + my practices guarantee a smoother path.” “By 27 I’ll already be that guy – money, women, music success, status.” That identity doesn’t fit anymore. It’s like an old skin that got ripped off instead of gently shed. 2. Karmic / psychological “activation” I did a lot of consistent gratitude and “higher frequency” work over the last year. One way to see it: When you raise your baseline, whatever doesn’t match that level (old fear, worthlessness, self-betrayal, family patterns, scarcity) gets pushed to the surface. The accident, scams, disappointments, tension with family, doubts about my teacher – it all feels like old karma and patterns being forced up at once. 3. De-idolization of teachers and destiny I still respect my teacher a lot, but I’m seeing more clearly: He’s human. He may not be the person who can walk me through this very practical, material phase of life. I projected “savior” and “special initiation” onto him. I’m also seeing how much I outsourced responsibility to: Teachers Manifestation methods Spiritual narratives (“this means I’m chosen,” “this proves I’m advanced,” etc.) 4. Shift from “mythic destiny” → self-leadership It feels like life is asking: “Can you lead yourself without the fantasy of being special? Can you keep going without any guarantee of fame, success, or cosmic reward?” That’s a very different game than: “I’m the chosen one, therefore I’ll be protected.” It’s more like: “I’m a human. I’ve trained a lot of skills. My life is fragile and not guaranteed. What do I choose now?” Why I’m posting this here / what I’m asking I know this forum is full of people who’ve gone through: Disillusionment with teachers and “gurus” Harsh life events that shattered spiritual fantasies The shift from mythical narratives to raw self-authorship Have you gone through a phase where life “ripped you out of your spiritual fantasy”? How do you balance genuine spiritual insight with not turning your life into a grandiose story? What does mature self-leadership look like after disillusionment? Any practical pointers for this phase?

@LifeEnjoyer lmao

@Ramasta9 Thank you, this really resonates. I now have to look at how much I’ve been pushing it. I’m leaning toward a long break to let my body catch up and focus on integration, therapy and building my actual life. I appreciate the reminder that it’s the journey, not chasing another big trip.

@Natasha Tori Maru Appreciate this, Natasha. When you say CBT would’ve been 100000% faster — do you mean straight-up CBT, or CBT mixed with trauma work / somatic stuff? I’m coming out of years of heavy psychedelic work + a recent accident, so my nervous system is pretty fried and I’m realizing I probably need something more practical than more trips. In your experience, what kind of therapy felt most grounding and effective once you put the psychedelics down?

@Hojo infinite clowns 😂 good god lol. You ate 20 grams of what though?

@Oppositionless Don’t underestimate the fact that you’re still here, still self-aware, still reflecting and sharing. That’s not nothing. We’re basically the same age and we’re both in the mud trying to figure it out. Wishing you some calm in your nervous system and a way back to the things you love doing, whether it’s music, poetry, or something totally new

@VeganAwake Thanks for this, I really appreciate it 🙏 The reminder that “life is the phase and everything is the path” actually helps calm me down.

@Miguel1 Thanks for sharing this Miguel, I really appreciate you being honest about it instead of romanticizing the process. I actually think you should write about it. Putting it into words can help you transmute the whole thing — you get some distance from it, see it from a bird’s-eye view, and then it becomes something you can work with and transform instead of just endure.

@Daniel Balan thank you

@Leo Gura Thanks Leo, I appreciate it. I’ve been watching your videos since 2017 and a lot of what you said about gurus and not giving our teachers too much authority is really landing for me now. This whole incident is forcing me to become my own highest authority, just like you’ve talked about.

@AION I realized that people identify with spirituality from three different paths. 1. Psychedelics 2. Non-duality/enlightenment 3. Manifestation often times teachers who teach meditation & enlightenment work shit on teachers who teach only manifestation. It’s not very common but I’ve heard manifestation teachers shit on teachers who only teach ego death & non-duality. Their logic is what good is god consciousness, telepathy & ego death if you can’t pay your bills.

@Daniel Balan Much love bro, I appreciate this. You’re right — I’ve been so focused on the “big win” that I haven’t really sat with how blessed I am to still have a working body and a roof over my head. This accident definitely showed me how valuable basic health is. I’m using this time to simplify my idea of success and actually love myself at that basic level first. At the same time, a lot of my drive for success comes from where I come from. My parents moved from Angola to Toronto for a “better life”, and growing up there was always this pressure that we had to prove something and be successful here. I started music at 14 and it ended up intertwined with my awakening and my dharma. I’m not attached to being a “superstar” anymore, but I also don’t want to go against the flow of what life is pulling me toward with music.

@AION Facts. This whole accident really drove that home. I was so focused on money/success that I kind of took my health and youth for granted. Now I’m seeing how much everything depends on having a working body first.

@Leo Gura Yeah, I’m definitely feeling that. Getting injured stripped away a lot of my spiritual fantasy and left me face to face with basic fragility and fear. I’m trying to rebuild from there more honestly now.

@cetus just listened to it, I feel healed

@cetus yea I do, I’m like a hybrid between a song writer, sound engineer and music marketer & yup, I’m sure it will subconsciously

@Aaron p This actually hits a lot. I’ve definitely been looking at all this like it meant I’d somehow fallen off the path or that my spiritual drive was fake. Hearing you say this is the path, and that you’ve been through similar scams and fuck-ups at 27, puts it in perspective. I’m starting to accept the disillusionment instead of using it as an excuse to quit. Realignment + adaptability instead of fantasy – that’s exactly what I need right now. Appreciate you

@Malkom Yeah, that really lands. I can see now how much I was living in my head and in spiritual hype, and not grounded enough in simple physical reality – traffic, my body, money, rest. This accident is definitely forcing me to slow down, be in my body, and take the 3D world more seriously while still keeping my spirituality in the background as support, not escape. Appreciate you reflecting that back.

@cetus Yeah, that’s exactly how it feels. The car was just the surface — underneath it a whole identity and storyline got hit too. Painful, but I can see how it’s forcing a deeper reset.