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@LaucherJunge you speak what I mean.

@Space explain that. If someone thinks that murder is neither right no wrong then what does stop him to commit that crime if let's say he was born mentally ill and is maniac. I see what you guys trying to tell I really do. But I am contemplating wether in General it would bring more good or bad to the humanity if everybody believes that there is no evil. Some people are conscious enough and may benefit from that but others won't at least that's my current opinion.

@Principium Nexus As I said some people are born mentally ill who have maniac deviation and just enjoy suffering of others. You have no answer on that. How would you stop it if humanity looses its ability to distinguish good and evil?

You all don't read what I write and continue responding in the air. I said I know that Good and Evil are relative notions. But humanity has collective view on some of these Good and Evil amd I agree on those. And because we still live in this human dimension and there is no escape from the human body this lifetime I see not much benefit if you disrigard the collective view that murdering is Evil for whole humanity.

by trial and error. I hate working for someone else.

You don't know majority of humanity in the face so stop pretending. What you blame the whole humanity for maybe just a doing of some powerful greedy authority thirsty political leaders who turn everything to their profit. Do they have followers? Sure they do but stop boiling everyone in the same water. Even if it may appear that humanity collectively has done more bad than good - can't claim that either because you don't know small details. - The cause maybe the huge gap between the power. You know that today global countries are led by small group of powerful politics and you can't blame the rest of humanity for their actions.

This or that it does not change the fact that we still live in this dimension and even after Enlightenment there is no escape from this body. If life was meant to experience in a relative manifestations why don't just fkin do it instead of trying to become god and at the same time dead god. Who said that becoming the god is the only viable true path? What if it is other way around. I had a discussion on this topic with my friend and he said yes even if it brings me eternal bliss it will kill me and I will no longer be a human. And with all the suffering and negative emotions I love to be a human because this is what makes me feel other positive emotions too and that's what make them so much more valuable... Maybe experiencing life is all that matters. And within this life you just try to be the best according to your views.

You are saying humans are worse then animals but I don't agree even on that because it depends on human. Read what I told to "Deep".

I don't think Evil or good exists Ultimately. Yes it's all about perspectives this is easy... But I mean there is collective view on good and evil for the Humanity and I agree on most of them like murdering and raping etc. is evil for humanity! And it is evil for me because I agree with the humanity on that. That is my point here. Even if I get Enlightened I am still human and live in a human dimension. So this is what makes us humans...

@SFRL At least trying is what matters. Everyone has his own perspective. You did not answer the first part though.

But how becoming true self and saying: all is just happening for nothing and no sense - and continuing to eat animal meat for example makes you a better being? At least as a human or ego or whatever call it you have a choice to believe in a things which are considered ultimate good by almost all the humanity.

@Leo Gura What you just said is actually very easy and everyone knows it but you are making it one step further and telling me that Leo is all the rapists and evil. That is not 1 day contemplation work...

What if I do but I don't want to because that's what makes us humans. And what if that's what is stopping some evil people to do evil things. You are right when saying that there is no ultimate evil nor ultimate Good unless we consider god the ultimate good. But... there is still collective view on some good and evil on which we as a humanity agree. And I want it to stay so in regards to murder and other major evil.

@Leo Gura Leo I've heard all these from your video - "what is Devil?" But still, unless I get Enlightened myself as the Truth - it will stay the matter of belief and non belief. And right now what you are saying I don't want to believe. There are most things which I think are logical and most probably true about Enlightenment but I am not sure about this one about evil. This is the most confusing part for me on this journey. Even more it is the only one which is stopping me to fully commit to Enlightenment work. I am not sure whether I want to fully erase the distinction between good and evil... Neo had much easier choice

We are the dreams without the dreamer. Imagine that you are telling stories about yourself. Eventually you believe that you are the stories but not the storyteller. (mine) Radio signals without radio transmitter. Whatever the one single wave is doing - the same is doing the ocean itself and much more. Continue...

Yes this is a good video and good explanation. I understood that view initially identical to what's said in video. But he is saying that: "Everybody does only things they consider good from their point of view". But let's bring an example. When you watch porn you know that it is bad for you but you still do that why?

This is very good explanation then! That's all I was asking. If you have deep compassion than that means that you won't harm anyone. But does not it also mean that needles harm is evil? if you true self has such a compassion and understanding then does not it mean that ultimate evil still exist?

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura Two possibilities whether you are deluded or you tell the Truth. for me absolutely equal possibilities 50/50. Ok Let's say you are right. And let's say your higher consciosness purposed that walking around and setting buildings on fire is fun and good way to experience your true life purpose. After Enlightenment ego which held you back from setting buildings on fire would dissapear and you will start to set houses on fire because - from god's perspective as you say, that's neither evil nor good. You would bring lots of suffering to the people even though that may be you, from their perspective you still bring suffering. Was it beneficial overall? I So maybe the Truth if there is one - is more beneficial to be hidden??? Because... Even after Enlightenment you still continue to live in this limited realm. Why don't you contemplate that? @Principium Nexus Ok I'll watch after this post.

@Leo Gura I want to say F you Leo but something holds me back every time. I will give Enlightenment another try after all this confusion it brought into my life... Again and Again...

But again... You asked Peter Ralston that very legitimate question which you may have became victim yourself. Let me remind you. You asked- What if Enlightened person is already in delusion and one who is in delusion can not see that he is ignorant. Is not that the case with ignorance in this world as well?

@Leo Gura What if you are playing with the stuff which is not meant for you? How are you so sure that it is not delusion inside the delusion then? There is always a possibility of this if you are Realy damn open minded. If you assume that there is possibility of absolutely anything than Enlightenment may turn out as huge BS in the end. I've heard that you asked Peter Ralston same question. What if there is something beyond? He laughed and responded that is impossible. Absolute means absolute. But what if even Absolute is delusion and it does not exist? You mentioned Christ's words But... - not judging and becoming it are two separate things... Notice also that you escaped to answer the question if you are one with all the Rapists... Why? If you already accepted that why is it still so hard to answer that question? What if I ask you worse questions? it will be even harder to answer and you know it.

@Leo Gura All that you talk here. Why it seems to me that you did not accept it all yourself yet? You talk about all this - talk is easy but did you become one with all the repists and evil? Are you ready to become cum receptacle for rapist if that happens will you surrender to it? - this seems like absolutely nonsense. If the point of Enlightenment is to become one with all the shit that is happening in the world then from our perspective it damn feels wrong. What if our relative perspective defines us and gives us the choice? What if we are not meant to be awaken? What if the freedom of choice lies exactly in that. We have a choice in our relative manifestation but there is no more choice and free will if you loose your face and become one with everything even the shitiest shit. If we were born as ego then what if the right thing to do is actually stay the ego and try your best to become positive being in this manifestation? P.S. You mentioned Christ's words But... - not judging and becoming it are two separate things... Is not that so?!

See? Even in your explanation you indicate that evil is required for you to feel good. If there was no evil you won't feel peace and good. You still call all these evil then if it is all one why do you call it evil or good or peace at all? What about people who are born with maniacal deviations in this case conditioning and environment does not change much? If there is only oneness and it is all loving and blissful why do such people with such a devastating deviation are born?

If there is oneness in everything then that means that you are one with a killer or rapist or even worse... I don't understand that part and I think there is a better explanation for such things..