Emerald

I’ve read a few and nothing in particular stands out. But the only reason why I could guess from a post if a person is disintegrated with their feminine side is because most people have this issue in some degree and there are really obvious tell-tale signs.

How do you mean?

Masculine and feminine are the building blocks of this reality Matrix. From a certain perspective, they are the 1s and 0s of the binary code that creates reality. And you can experience these subtle qualities directly with the development of sensitivity to them. And it’s very often different from human notions around gender. So masculine and feminine are not specifically linked to humanity or the sex/gender of any being.

From reading your posts, I’d guess you have more Shadow Feminine as a result of a disintegrated feminine side. So you’d need to integrate your feminine side. Lots of guys think their issue is a problem with masculine integration, when it’s actually an issue with feminine integration.

Normal familiarity with the masculine side means that the woman has integrated the capacity to get a big picture perspective and to articulate the insights derived from that perspective in a logical manner. It is also the integration of the Divine Masculine qualities of principled action, non-reactivity, critical thinking, autonomy, rationality, precise articulation, emotional mastery, ambition, life-purpose, goal-setting, results orientation, healthy boundaries, and direction. But with Shadow Masculine possession, this includes hyper-competitive behavior, internalized misogyny, controlling behavior, black and white thinking, passive aggressive behavior, spiritual/intellectual bypassing, being domineering, etc. If you’re familiar with the show, think of the character Helga Pataki from “Hey Arnold!” She’s a great example of what the possessive masculine looks like. The possessive masculine is always there to protect the vulnerable feminine in lieu of healthy masculine integration. But where the integrated masculine creates a healthy boundary, the possessive masculine creates 10-feet tall steel walls with razor wire at the top. But the thing to understand about this forum context, is that a person would have to be somewhat acquainted with the masculine to line up here. What I find is that, on this forum, there is an abundance of masculine integration with the men and women alike. Maybe one or two of the women on here really show signs of masculine possession. But a great many of the men on here lack feminine integration. And this leads to Shadow Feminine behaviors like cattiness, pettiness, lack of direction, lack of motivation, jealousy towards women, obsession with social status, and passivity towards life. And of course, this interferes with the masculine side as well.

Usually, if a woman ends up in an abusive dynamic with a man… especially if that abusive dynamic stems from her relationship to her father and other men who were around her in her childhood… she will have a negative relationship to her masculine side. And this leads to either a lack of Divine Masculine qualities like autonomy, objectivity, direction, self-efficacy, clarity, etc…. Or it leads the Shadow Masculine to take on a possessive role where the woman becomes avoidant, armored, combative, and domineering. And in order for her to heal, she’ll have to likely reintegrate both the masculine and feminine side. The relationship with the masculine will have to be healed because her experiences with masculine people have been painful. And this leads her to see the masculine as strong but evil. But likewise, she may resent and reject her feminine side and womanhood for making her vulnerable to the abuse. And this makes her see the feminine as weakness. So, it would likely need to be both. But if she were to try integrate her feminine side without integrating her masculine side, it wouldn’t work out. And this is because she would be reclaiming the Divine Feminine qualities of receptivity and vulnerability… and meanwhile she has an exploitative, abusive, and tyrannical inner man running amok in her psyche. So the more feminine she becomes, the more receptive to the inner abuse she will be. Because of this, she’d be wise to either begin with integrating the inner opposite… or do both simultaneously.

Yes, that becomes an issue. It’s the whole idea that plays out with the Crusades and killing in the name of Christ. They saw non-Christians as bad. So, in their minds, it was good to kill and torture them. It’s the lack of empathy and the demonization of the other, all wrapped in an ideological blanket of righteousness, that enables those who think they’re doing something valiant and good to actually be doing really shitty things.

Masculine and feminine are not just social constructs. Though there are notions of masculinity and femininity that are purely a product of culture. For example, the idea that pink is a feminine color is purely a social construct. Or the idea that women wear make up is purely a social construct. But there is a consistency across cultures and eras with regard to the archetypal masculine and feminine… which supersedes but informs human gender. And this consistency comes about because, on one level, all things in the cosmos is an interplay between Yin and Yang which are two polar subtle qualities. And the way human beings most readily understand Yin and Yang is through the archetypal masculine and feminine. I used to believe that masculinity and femininity were just social constructs, until I had some awakenings where I was sensitive enough to pick up on these qualities. A good rule of thumb to understand the nature of the masculine and feminine is to look at its associated elements. The masculine is more akin to the elements air and fire. The masculine has no substance on its own but can enact itself upon substances and have a transformative effect. The feminine is more akin to the elements of Earth and water. And so, the feminine has substance but no transformation without something acting upon it. And the overwhelming energy of the Earth is feminine, which is reflected universally in all cultures. The qualities of the masculine include intellect, ambition, movement, and the tendency of human beings to transform Mother Nature to fit its needs and whims. The qualities of the feminine include emotion, acceptance, stillness, and the tendency of human beings to accept and respect the workings of Mother Nature. And you’ll notice that this doesn’t have a lot to do with human gender. The masculine and feminine are not primarily concerned with the gender expressions humanity… though this does impact that domain just as it impacts all domains.

Still hung up on this? Why are you posting this on a personal development forum?

Hello all! As someone who eats a plant based diet, I’ll often find threads on here about Veganism. And there is a pattern I notice around lack of holistic thinking relative to this topic... and others. Lots of more intellectual and logic-based perspectives and not a lot of credence given to heart-based perspectives. For example, someone might share the truth that... ‘There is no way to stop causing suffering to other beings. We kill so many life-forms every time we step on the grass.’ OR ‘Plants are alive too.’ And the list goes on. And these are perfectly true and logical perspectives. But they are often used to bypass and overlook more heart-centered perspectives like the darker and grittier empathy we can realize when we observe the suffering of another sentient being. So, these more intellectual truths often insulate a person from the awareness of how they really feel about animal suffering. This isn’t the only topic this happens in relation to. Lots of elevating mind-based perspectives over heart-based perspectives in general. It’s just the clearest example of this. The main point here is to say that, if you value becoming multi-perspectival and holistic in you POV, you must integrate the heart-based POV. And you must be discerning enough to know which perspective is wisest to take in any given situation. We can use truths from either perspective to lie to ourselves. That’s how sneaky self-deception can be. Sometimes, the logic/mind-based perspectives will be wisest. Other times, choosing this perspective will lead to major blind spots, rationalizations of “devilry”, and intellectual bypassing. Sometimes, the heart-centered perspective will be wisest. Other times, choosing this perspective will lead you into ungroundedness and distorted thinking. Basically, with regard to Veganism and topics like it... don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Yes! I’ve been considering for a while to do a video series on practical applications for the 7 Hermetic Principles. I had mentioned earlier in the thread a derivative axiom from “as above, so below”… which is “as within, so without.” I mentioned it in relation to how men with a disintegrated feminine side play the internal drama outward in their interactions with women. But with “as above, so below”, we can (if we’ve had awakenings) look at how the experience of source in one of its facets is quite androgynous with feminine and masculine components. And we and everything else in this matrix mirrors the dance of God’s feminine and masculine sides. So, the God is above and we are below. But we can also look to lesser macrocosms of that axiom. And we can recognize society as the above and us again as the below. And in this, we can see how both society and the individual mirror their feminine repressions playing out the same patterns of resistance on larger and smaller scales. And we can see the way it naturally plays out when we have the sensitivity to observe Yin and Yang in its aligned form. And this can help us drop our resistances as individuals and as a society at large.

That’s the way that I understand it too. My friend Bunny identifies as non-binary, and she’s quite feminine. It’s just that the label of woman doesn’t resonate with her.

Terf stands for “Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist”… basically Feminists that are bigoted towards trans-folk. But Terfs don’t call themselves that. That’s what non-Terfs call them. They call themselves “Gender Critical” Feminists… meaning critical of gender’s existence. They believe that gender isn’t real and that no one has a gender. They believe that people only have a certain type of body. So, you have male-bodied people and female-bodied people but no gender identity. They believe that all notions of gender are 100% made up for the express purpose of oppressing women. And they have a very black and white world view where all male-bodied people are inherently predatory and all female-bodied people are inherently the victims of male-bodied people. And they view trans-women as male-bodied people who are using their trans identity to sneak around and be predatory toward female-bodied people. And trans-men are just female bodied people who have gone into denial about their victimization at the hands of male-bodied people and use the trans identity to avoid predation by male-bodied people. So, they’re very anti-man. But trans-women get the lion’s share of their ire.

I’m sure that Terfs wouldn’t like it too much. They’re the ones that are all about gender not being real. But they use that “gender isn’t real” rhetoric mostly to be shitty to trans people, so I don’t mind their outrage. But non-binary people are not Terfs. Non-binary doesn’t mean that they believe that gender doesn’t exist. Non-binary people just feel like the label of male and female doesn’t fit them accurately. They feel more comfortable in themselves by shucking those identities. They also belong to the LGBTQ community, which is a community all about embracing different intonations of human sexuality and gender. So, if there is a group (like Terfs) that believes that gender doesn’t exist, it means they’re crapping on others’ gender identities and will probably be deeply unpopular with many members of the LGBTQ community. But I personally am of the mindset that the widespread acceptance of the LGBTQ community is one of the most liberating things we have begun to achieve as a human species. Not only is it liberating for the LGBTQ community… it also liberates straight, cisgender, and gender conforming people to integrate their opposite polarities more deeply and with less shame. And this newfound fluidity with sexuality and gender will help us integrate the feminine deeper into our currently masculine principled society. But what must be understood is that every person contains a natural masculine/feminine signature. And while most people’s masculine/feminine signature skews more towards the polarity typically associated withtheir sex at birth… some will have a more equal balance of masculine/feminine in them and others will have it skew more towards the opposite polarity of the energy most typically relates to their sex assigned at birth. This masculine/feminine signature also runs along the the sexual instinct. So, you could potentially have a person who’s very gender conforming in their overall signature… but still primarily have same sex attractions. So there is nothing in what I’m saying that contradicts or invalidates these identities. In fact, the masculine and feminine in all things explains how there can be so much variety with regard the spectrums of human gender and sexuality. But some people might get upset about it because they feel I’m being heteronormative or stereotyping as I do have to paint with somewhat broad strokes to get my point across.

In case you’re genuinely interested… Et voila… But the reason why I didn’t post the other such thread is because the women on here don’t generally have an issue with masculine integration. In order for women to be interested in Leo’s content at all, she’d likely be fairly well acquainted with her masculine side… more than the average woman. But you can look on here and see that 80% of the guys on here are really struggling under the weight of feminine repression.

Yes, if you repress your masculine side, your feminine will also take a hit. The masculine and feminine are like conjoined twins. But yes…. anyone can repress either or both sides of their polarity. And the symptoms are similar for repressing a certain polarity, regardless of gender. For example, I used to repress my femininity so much. And I see a lot of my past self’s neuroses in men who are currently repressing. And for both, the solution is to find the root of the resistance and drop it. For some, the root may be core beliefs like, “If I am feminine then women won’t like me.” Or “Men are all predatory and only want one thing” Or “If I show my emotions, I am weak.” For others, the root can come from past traumas and protection mechanisms.

Well said

Just don’t encourage people to spiritually bypass their issues with integration. This issue with repression is actually taking a toll on people’s lives and psychological wellbeing. So, while it’s true that these are the relative truths of Maya… Maya problems often require Maya solutions.

Thank you

But how will the people who are repressing their feminine side come to realize it if they don’t allow themselves to take this perspective? The thing is that lots of people (especially men) are out of touch with their feminine side. And not only does this create tons of problems in their personal life… on a global scale it is responsible for everything from wealth inequality to global warming. Our suppression of the feminine is making us totally out of tune with nature. When we are disconnected with the feminine side, we become disconnected from our emotions, our bodies, and the Earth. And in order for things to get better for the individual and society alike, we must recognize the importance of integration of the feminine.

The main efficacy of knowing about feminine/masculine is subtractive… not additive. If a person is aware of the masculine and feminine, they can see more easily where their resistances are. I used to be very repressive of my feminine side. But I was also of the mindset that masculine/feminine were mere social constructs. So, I didn’t recognize my bias towards my masculine side and against my feminine side. Once I gained insight into the nature of masculine and feminine as well as the traits associated with them in an esoteric sense, I was able to recognize and drop my resistances and judgments towards the feminine. So, the efficacy is in the dropping of the blocks and resistances that people’s culturally ingrained ideas about there gender create in order to allow that which is natural in a person to be expressed regardless of feminine or masculine polarity. That said, the general effect will be that people will be in tune with their natural energies. And for most men, that means they will be mostly masculine and some feminine and vice versa for women. But we get there subtractively by allowing whatever happens to be there simply to be. We allow ourselves to come into our natural alignment when we stop resisting one side of our polarity or the other.

Masculine/Feminine is a very useful dichotomy. But at a certain point, all dichotomies collapse. It’s just like up and down. There’s not really such a thing as an absolute up or down. But that false distinction is very useful to us indeed… lest we decide to take a long walk off a short cliff. But within everything the mind could label as masculine there is the feminine, and within everything the mind could label as feminine, there is the masculine. They are two sides to one coin.

The thing to understand is that Leo’s feminine side is just as much of a woman as I am. Functionally, a man is part woman. And you can tell a lot about the relationship a man has to his inner woman by his feelings and attitudes toward women in general. So women who understand this truth can usually tell when a man has issues with his feminine side and to what degree because that man will be reacting to the inner-woman the same way that he behaves towards women in general. As within, so without. It’s very obvious when a man has issues with his feminine side.

Thank you ? If a woman suppresses her masculine side, there is a dualism that springs about. The dualism denotes disintegrated masculine in the sense of lack of Divine Masculine and the Shadow Masculine taking a possessing role. The same dualism is true for men who repress the feminine. They tend to express Shadow Feminine qualities such as bitterness and pettiness as well as a lack of Divine Feminine qualities like social acuity and emotional intelligence. So, for women with no integration of the masculine… On one hand, with the Lack of Divine Masculine, she might become whiny, fretful, vague, flaky, emotional overwhelm, directionless, and passive. And overall she’ll be overwhelmed by details and will not be able to see the big picture. On the other hand, when the Shadow Masculine is possessive she can become irritable, domineering, controlling, smothering, high maintenance, and passive aggressive. The thing that’s lacked of Divine Masculine is objectivity and emotional distance. When a woman is disintegrated from the masculine her emotions overwhelm her and she either succumbs to vagueness or to hyper-protective harshness. And this lack of distance makes it difficult for her to be in touch with her emotions without getting overwhelmed and it prevents her from being receptive and intuitive. And either way she becomes quite stiff.