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His keys are based off of clearly defined qualifiers that have been observed consistently in every election going back to the mid-1800s. And he has gotten every election outcome correct in his lifetime, with the exception of Bush v. Gore... of which Gore would have won the electoral college without voter suppression in Florida. So it's actually pretty good science despite the relative subjectivity of human patterning, because it deals with observing repeatable clearly defined phenomena over time. So even though he's not studying bacteria in a petri dish here... he is studying how human patterning generally works. Think of it more as a social science. I'd be curious if you could apply these qualifiers outside of the US context to predict head to head election outcomes in other representative democracies.

This post feels like it's coming from a place of pain... like the tonguing of a mouth wound. Consider deeper how it makes you feel that there are some women who exist who get a power boost from "simps" giving them money and dominating these men. And do you assume that all women are functioning that way? Is there as sense of feeling objectified and that you need to be a certain type of guy to not be taken advantage of that way? Is there a feeling of being powerless to women? Look past the triggering dynamic itself to see what you underlying fears, vulnerabilities, and pain are. Then, find the origin point... which likely has far more to do with childhood dynamics with our family of origin than it has to do with current-day male/female dynamics. It's just that sex/relationships/dating tend to be a very vivid projection screen for our deeper pain. Look back into the past at times where you felt powerless, dominated, used, objectified, etc. to find the origin point.

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Someone who is in Stage Turquoise would look at the stage in development that a given society is at and choose whichever policies are most conducive of love, harmony, and happiness within that particular culture. So, if a Stage Purple tribe had a Stage Turquoise leader... they would make sure that the tribal customs, rituals, and rules are upheld for the sake of social cohesion... and to make sure the their moral leadership style reflected that. But in instances where there was leverage within that paradigm to influence the tribe in positive ways or discourage/outlaw things that caused harm to the tribe that are beyond the scope of the understanding within Stage Purple... they would make decisions either secretly or under the guise of a more Stage Purple framework to influence the tribe in positive ways while minimizing anything that threatens the fabric of social cohesion. And they would guard under lock and key any and all Stage Turquoise understandings that could muddle things up. If there was a Stage Turquoise leader leading a Stage Red society... they would have to develop the ability to be stoic and ruthless and to close their heart to those outside of their circle of concern... like a Shepard culls a lamb. And they would have to show up in a way that would be feared and respected. They would also have to have the bodily constitution and strength to be a warrior along with their Turquoise leading. And then, they would take care of the people who are under their leadership and dictate like an angry father the most healthy values that they can to those that are under their control. And to maintain social order, they would need to rule with an iron fist as there isn't a functional bottom-up mechanism for maintaining social cohesion. So, they'd have to engage in a lot of double think and be able to engage in Stage Red behavior from a Stage Turquoise viewpoint. Like if Buddha had to function as a warlord to serve the greater good and to minimize suffering as much as possible given the circumstances. If they are effective enough at this, Red will quickly turn Blue. If there was a Stage Turquoise leader of a Stage Blue society.... they would maintain the absolutist social practices of the Blue society. And they would encourage religious involvement and influence the religious leaders to focus mostly on the religious tenets that are about charity and avoiding doing things that harm other. And they would be very attuned to maintaining the social order. And they would always share their moral leadership messages through the lens of the rules and religion of the society. But as much as possible, they would encourage social cohesion and harmony. And they would also encourage some education slightly past the current paradigm... but never so much as to create unrest. And of course, any and all Stage Turquoise insights that could muddle up the social order would be kept locked away. But they may occasionally start encouraging some development into more individualistic Stage Orange perspectives, depending upon their assessment of the populace and where they are. In early, blue... it's best to keep it blue because it could devolve back into red. In late blue, you can afford a little science or a little rationality. If there was a Stage Turquoise leader of a Stage Orange society... they would temper the chaos of the expansion in Stage Orange by encouraging customs and spaces where individuals can come together as a collective. And they would fund sources of collective meaning to maintain some semblance of social cohesion within a very individual society. But they would focus far more towards education and helping all children experience maximum individuation of their potentials. And they would fund art/music/movies etc for the masses... that encourage individuality, rationality, and science... whilst also reconciling that there is a need to come together. They would separate church and state to ensure that Orange can continue progressing past blue. They would work slowly within the context of the bureaucratic system to ensure that the economy is functioning competitively while also (behind the scenes) tempering the influence that big business has on the government. And they would litmus test for how functional it would be to ban guns, and would if it's feasible within the culture of that social context. If there was a Stage Turquoise leader of a Stage Green society... they would work to ensure global cohesion between nations to work towards addressing collective species-wide issues. And they would fund education that helps Stage Green begin to understand where dissenting opinions on human rights come from, so that issues with human rights and those who oppose them can be addressed at the root instead of from a misunderstanding of the other person's "badness". And they would mostly keep in tune with Stage Green values but encourage the society to understand those values and the barriers to enacting them at a much deeper level.

"This idea of "integration" is very tricky. Integration does not mean there won't be trade-offs. I can integrate sense-making and pragmatism such that they work together, but not 100%. That's an important difference." My entire point is that pragmatism is necessary for sense-making. And if you are not pragmatic, you are definitionally NOT engaging in sense-making. And this quote showcases a misunderstanding of what integration entails and the underlying crux of my disagreement with your perspective. What you're talking about is balance. Imagine a see-saw that you have to stack bricks on. And you have only 11 bricks to stack. And on one side of the see-saw you have sense-making and on the other side of the see-saw you have pragmatism. And in the notion from your above quote, it's like 'If we add more weight to the pragmatic side of the seesaw, it will take away some weight from the sense-making side of the seesaw. The closest we can get to balance is 6 bricks one side and 5 bricks on the other. Either way, it's like pie and there are trade-offs where one will get in the way of the other. And wouldn't it be even better if we put most of the bricks on the sense-making side?! Of course, I see that we can't negate pragmatism altogether, but can't we at least stack 8 bricks on sense-making and 2 bricks on pragmatism?' In contrast, integration is where you take two opposites that then come together to create something similar to, different from, and greater than the original two polarities. So... truly integrating sense-making and pragmatism is both more pragmatic and makes more sense than either of the two polarities alone. And you can't have true sense-making or true pragmatism without the other side of spectrum integrated. All dichotomies work like this when integrated. It is similar to how discipline and freedom are necessary for the other to exist... or like how skepticism and open-mindedness are opposites but are actually one and the same if you practice them skillfully enough. Look up the meaning of "The Chariot" card in the Tarot... or the concept of "the sacred marriage" and "The divine child" as an archetype. You view pragmatism and sense-making as opposites that always clash or compete, where I view them as opposites that can either compete or integrate depending on how one approaches them. "You don't see the general populace as interested in deep sense-making, which makes advocating for it somewhat pointless." Having been a high school public school teacher and a substitute teacher working in classrooms from pre-k through 12th grade, it has given me experiences that have shown me that there is a huge variance of intelligence levels that span the entire spectrum. And school is like a microcosm of the future of adult society. And I have worked with students who could skate by on natural intelligence... and with very hardworking students that simply cannot understand the work no matter how hard they tried, just because their level of intellectual capacity is capped with regard to certain subjects. And my estimate is that only like 25% of people have the capacity to think deeply on politics and other philosophical topics. And that doesn't even get into the consideration of how interested a person is in politics... or how much time they have to pursue a deeper understanding of it. So, because you and I (and most others on this forum) are naturally brainy kids (because you have to be a brainy kid to enjoy Leo's channel)... we may have a tendency to be unintentionally intellectually elitist in assuming that 'If people just tried hard enough or valued sense-making in politics more, they could understand the complexities of politics.' But this would be like naturally athletic people, expecting people who aren't built that way to "just run faster" or "Just lift more weight". And for them to imagine a utopian future where everyone is an athlete. This is why I see your view-point as overtly idealistic. You over-estimate the collective's capacity to develop a deep intellectual level of understanding regarding politics. Since the dawn of civilization, humanity has operated through specialization. And this means that different people have different strengths and weaknesses in different areas. And it's the combination of both strengths and weaknesses that individuals have that make society run. Thus, the weakness of the individual and the strength of the individual integrates to create a stronger collective. So, it is not realistic to expect the majority of people to engage in deep intellectual work as that is just one type of specialization and will never be a default. "Such that you are no longer identify as a progressive, a conservative, a centrist, a meta-modernist or anything else. You are not on the political map anymore. And this will deeply improve your sense-making, such that you see things very few people will see." Perhaps for an individual person who is interested and able to think deeply about politics, it is good to detach from a political identity because it gives you intellectual flexibility... and to only use these labels as a means of coalescing and organizing with others to achieve certain pragmatic ends. For example, there are tons of very influential political people who believe that I shouldn't have any power at all. And there are tons of people that agree with them that I can see in every comment section I've ever been in. And I've done some very uncomfortable exploration of those perspectives by totally allowing myself to fully entertain them and consider them. And it's helped me learn a lot about the vulnerabilities that those viewpoints grow from, which in turn enables me to address these issues more effectively. And it has also helped me work through my own internalized misogyny by finding how these perspectives also live in me. So, that's been helpful for me... but without my intellectual/emotional bent, I would not be able to navigate such a treacherous descent into that collective wound and come out the other end better off than when I went in. So, I wouldn't open up that discussion publicly because it would normalize those viewpoints in the eyes of the average person. And it would give people (especially girls and women) a huge burdensome journey through the Leviathan of that wounding that most are very unlikely to be equipped to make sense of. So is there value in that for some people who are on a hardcore inner work journey? Absolutely. But it's not going to lead to good outcomes if this perspective is discussed by the masses, as it would not be understood and would shift the Overton Window. This is why certain knowledge has always been kept under lock and key except for those with the initiation into the mysteries. Wisdom can be dangerous in the ears of the unwisened. Now with the labels you mentioned, there is a lot of pragmatism behind why these labels exist, as it helps people join together in solidarity in a coalition to fight for certain policies. And that is something that cannot be done away with because people's interests and rights are things that must be fought for. And you need a spearhead (and the rest of the spear to make things happen.) And without this consideration, there is no politics beyond people in power running the table on those with none. There is only strength in numbers and labels help you coalesce in numbers... as do narratives and slogans. Also the reality is that, even if you slough off these labels, you're still going to have values that you hold. Like even if I didn't label myself as a progressive... I'm still not going to be okay with abortion bans, discrimination against minority groups, government enforced theocracy, or privatized health insurance... etc. These lines in the sand must be drawn, and that must be prioritized over some theoretically more conscious way of orienting to politics.

Such is the way of individuation, progression, and expansion... messy, chaotic, and polarizing... like giving birth. But expansion beyond the old paradigms is much better (in this particular instance) than the stagnation and "still-birthness" that would have ensued if our technologies, institutions, and economic patterns would have progressed into industrial and post-industrial levels of development... but our level of intellectual, behavioral, and moral development would have stayed operating off of the agrarian era adaptations. We would all be like cassette tapes, forcefully jammed into a cd player. Such is the life of the agrarian-minded conservative in a post-industrial society.

Calling a pathological liar out on their lies isn't a leftwing position. I get what you're saying about Lex Friedman acting as Larry King. And I don't expect him to grill Donald Trump on his lies for that reason. It's just not his brand. But let's not frame pressing Donald Trump on his lies (or pressing anyone else on their lies) as "leftwing"... and let's especially not frame calling out dishonesty as "radical". Let's let go of assigning apolitical virtues to partisan groups, and rehabilitate the frame from the pre-Trump era that the expectation of honesty is a neutral apolitical position that everyone with a good head on their shoulders would agree with.

Your viewpoint only works in a casual social setting like if you're choosing friends. Like you can avoid both Jim and Jane if both of them are dishonest (a lot or a little bit) because you have TONS of other people you can choose to spend time with. And in this context, neither Jim nor Jane is having to navigate the realities of having power and being a politician, which often necessitates some degree of opacity to get elected and do the job effectively. But, if you're going to vote to choose a commander in chief for the most powerful nation on the planet, and your only two real choices are one politician who is a pathological liar who CONSTANTLY lies every time he opens his mouth AND another politician who lies about as often as your average politician... then you're much wiser to choose the latter to be in the position of power. Having a pathological liar in a position of power is very dangerous, as the commander in chief's role is that of a very influential moral leader. And a moral leader who doesn't value truth or honesty at all can convince huge swaths of the population lies that mobilize them towards things that cause harm to themselves or others.

Of course, I will consider it, as I have in relation to your previous posts. But as of right now, I'm either not understanding what you actually mean and there is a miscommunication... or I have been understanding you correctly and your point of view just doesn't square with the way the world actually works. Either way, I need more of your thought process to get whether this is your viewpoint and why this is your viewpoint. And it needs to not involve the Spiral Dynamics model because "It's tier 2 thinking" just doesn't cut it as an explanation.

First of all, you're not even really explaining the meta viewpoint here as it isn't even really clear what you're advocating for or how you think that any of this would work in these circumstances where the other side is already plotting to steal the election and install themselves as a dictator.... and has really fringe draconian policy positions that will rip away basic freedoms in a very undemocratic way. It's just... 'don't be pragmatic because Spiral Dynamics.' Meta viewpoints without the integration of pragmatism are just impotent naval gazing that ensures that the forces of nonsense and tyranny will be the only pragmatic ones and that tyranny will take hold... while the forces of sense-making and democracy will content ourselves with saying "At least we're the sense-makers and not stooping to their level." Or in many cases with autocracy, sense-makers would just be put in camps or shot by firing squads because they'd be too dangerous to the totalitarian state if left alive. How in your view does this meta viewpoint you speak of integrate with pragmatism as it pertains to preventing the forces of tyranny to take hold? And if it doesn't integrate with pragmatism and you view them as diametrically opposed to one another, then why is it better to prioritize sense-making sans pragmatism if it 100% guarantees the forces of tyranny will take hold? In essence, why is it better and more in alignment with Tier 2 thinking for sense-makers to reject pragmatism and have no power... and for pragmatic tyrannical nonsense-makers to have all the power?

Name one gay person who turned straight... or one straight person who turned gay who wasn't already gay.

Someone could engage in same-sex sexual acts in a prison setting because there are no other outlets to meet their sexual needs. But that doesn't make them gay or bisexual as a matter of preference. It's just that people have needs and will meet them any way we can if we're deprived of how we prefer to meet them. It's kind of like if a person hates the taste of orange soda. But if they're dehydrated in the desert, they will force themselves to drink orange soda because they need SOMETHING to drink and they'll take anything at all. The same is true for our sexual needs and touch needs. Just because we're deprived and will take it from anywhere doesn't mean that's a reflection of PREFERENCE. Now, if a guy supposedly "turned gay" because he went to prison and "couldn't go back"... that suggests to me that he was already gay and just used his experiences in prison as a way of blaming his gayness on external factors. So if you're really straight, you can stop worrying. You can't change your sexual preference any more than you can change your height or the color of your eyes.

Straight people who are ACTUALLY straight cannot magically turn gay. Ask any straight man or woman and they will tell you that they just aren't sexually interested in the same sex. Though anyone could have fleeting same sex sexual thoughts here and there, even if they are straight, that isn't a reflection of their actual sexual preferences. So IF you're actually straight, you don't have anything to worry about. But given that you're worrying about it makes me suspect that you may have some degree of same-sex attraction (maybe bisexual to some degree or gay... or perhaps you've just experienced fleeting sexual thoughts that hint at same sex attraction, even if you are straight). And you've built this evidence-less narrative up in your own mind to deny your own same-sex attractions to yourself and to protect yourself form becoming aware of it. Like if you can cling to this belief that there is a choice and that you can suddenly make yourself "impure" if you don't put yourself on the defense against gayness, you can just keep "choosing to be straight" and not admitting your attractions to yourself. And it creates this sense of intense fear and urgency to avoid any gay thoughts because (in your mind) you could 'permanently change your hormones and turn yourself gay.' and 'fall from grace' and lose your "purity". And it gives you a giant group of scapegoats to blame for your same-sex attractions because they influenced you to be gay... which gives you the comforting impression that 'All I have to do is to resist the tempting siren song of the LGBT community and I protect the purity of my straightness.' Another possibility is that you have "Homosexual OCD" where a person gets obsessively/compulsively worried and has to constantly check to make sure they're not gay... even if they're totally straight. Either way, your viewpoint shows that you're afraid of being turned gay. And that's not possible. You're either sexually attracted to men or you're not. And there's nothing you can do to change that either way.

There's definitely a lot of that here. I originally joined the forum when it first began, and it was a bit more mellow and focused towards personal development and the like. But things changed over the years vibes-wise and chased away a lot of the more constructive collaborative participants. I mostly come back here from time to time to spar and debate with people I disagree with because it's fun and helps me get more clarity on my perspective through debate. And that's because the culture of this forum is more of a place where you challenge people to intellectual debate battles. And it's fun and there is some connection with like-minded people... but definitely not a super constructive or growth-oriented place.

@DLH 100%

Certainly that can and does happen. There are many people who are naive to the overall wisdom of how the system works and evolves... who want to make the system conform IDEALLY to their vision of what "should" be. And you see this a lot in fringy groups... both left and right... because society's status quo is very far from their idealized vision. So, they try to use a top-down form of authoritarian control to force society to conform to their vision, working against the bottom-up currents of nature and human evolution in the process. But I'm responding to Aurum saying that pragmatism is fundamentally opposed to sense-making and that it should be sacrificed for the sake of sense-making... instead of taking an integrative approach to it where both of those things can work together. And this perspective, throws away necessary values-neutral tools of political engagement that can be used in both positive and negative ways depending on the wisdom and discernment of who wields them. So, we can have a deep understand of policies and go deep in our philosophical understanding of politics individually. But this will never negate the fact that, for every leader (political or otherwise)... it is a necessary tool to be able to create a compelling narrative with short, punchy, easy-to-remember messaging that encourages people to coalesce and galvanizes them towards a strong call to action. And that's true at every stage in Spiral Dynamics because people will always be people and must coalesce towards common collective goals to produce wanted outcomes. And this is best organized like an orchestra where there is a conductor wielding the baton to ensure people can collaborate effectively. And this case... it's using the tool of narrative and messaging to encourage people to vote to keep a wannabe autocrat out of office. So, in this case, the pragmatism is wise because it reflects and amplifies the bottom-up will of those in the system who don't want America to become a Trumpian autocracy.

I think Spiral Dynamics is a WONDERFUL system for diagnosing collective groups of people and the overall evolution of humanity... but a relatively ineffective way to diagnose one's own level of development because everyone's ego gets wrapped up in it. To be fair, I do think that Aurum is intelligent and has many Yellow perspectives. But in this case, it's effectively prioritizing empty intellectual elitism over things that work practically. And it's the heartless head of Orange thinking that shows through in this perspective. But I think this environment on the forum is mostly Orange with a smattering of Blue and Yellow here and there... but a Stage Green Shadow due to a general resistance towards the Feminine Principle and a mistrust towards it. Like Leo is often Orange with a smattering of Yellow in his approaches to topics on the forum... even though on his channel he's mostly talking about Yellow topics. So, the people who are attracted to it tend to be people who have developed some Yellow perspectives but are still somewhat stuck back in Orange thinking as it pertains to practical topics like politics and dating. So... it's Yellow on the level of intellect... but Orange on the level of lived experience. So, there tends to be a prioritization of the ideal over the real... the lofty over the grounded... thinking over feeling... and the branches over the roots. It's very "brain in a jar" empty analytical thinking to the sacrifice of the wisdom of human-heartedness... instead of a true synthesis between intellectual reason and human-hearted wisdom. And this of course can lead to a lot of rationalizing ways of operating in the world that only work in the context of the ideals of the imagination.

You should know better than this. Sacrificing pragmatic outcomes in favor of some intellectually idealized form of political engagement that doesn't actually work in a real life context IS 100% SELF-DECEPTION and sets the stage for some REALLY heinous things to happen. His perception of so-called "sense-making" to the sacrifice of pragmatism, if applied universally, would pretty much guarantees that authoritarianism would take hold. And then the authoritarians would target ACTUAL sense-makers first... as they always do. So, there would come to be ZERO space in society for higher consciousness perspectives as you would be silenced. So, those that truly are sense-makers would ALSO be pragmatic. And they would integrate sense-making and pragmatism instead of seeing them as being diametrically opposed. And if these so-called "sense-makers" aren't pragmatic... they are in a deep state of self-delusion. If you're in a burning building with a bunch of other people and you're the first among them to become aware, you SHOULD shout "Fire!"... ..instead of calmly intellectually explaining the mechanics of thermodynamics to the majority of people, and arguing on the existentialist philosophical merits of whether it is better to survive or not in the fire. To do anything less is silly, and isn't properly sounding the alarm in the way that most people can and will digest it.

If you don't want to continue the discussion, that's fine. But you haven't made clear why you think it's better to prioritize "sense-making" over practical outcomes in a field that pertains to practical outcomes. You've just said it's Tier 2 thinking as the justification and stressed that "it's a meta point" as a justification for your claims. But that's a very abstract answer that's not tied to any preferred real-world outcomes. It's just "wiser because it's wiser" based off of the Spiral Dynamics model. But none of that explains why it's better to function that way. Why is it better to prioritize "sense-making" over pragmatism, even if it guarantees that sense-makers will have less or no power... and thus allows the forces of nonsense and tyranny to seize power and proliferate because they are the only ones willing to be pragmatic? To me, it seems to be a problem of integration similar to what happens in The Dark Crystal. The evil and foolish Skeksis are dynamic and have all the power. And the good and wise Mystics are slow and lumbering and have none of the power. And in the integration between the two, you have a situation where you get something greater than just good. My advice is that it is wise to approach politics as an integration between Yin and Yang with a full and total surrender to the nature of humanity and the world, as this will enable us to realize the highest expression of the political archetype within society where it serves the outcomes of health, harmony, and justice. And health, harmony, and justice is the most beautiful flower... but recognize that the most beautiful flowers grow in the dirtiest of dirt.

To use the Spiral Dynamics model, it's Stage Orange analytical thinking believing it's Stage Yellow systems thinking... because Stage Green hasn't yet been fully integrated yet in relation to political engagement or approaches to real-word geopolitical issues. To use the MBTI model, it's more of a Thinking versus Feeling bias that disconnects one from the heart of the matter and the consideration of how sentient lives and planetary well-being are affected... which is the expression of politics that's most in alignment with love, compassion, health, and harmony in the first place. The systems we create and influence are designed to serve humans... not humans to serve systems. So, the thought that Tier 2 thinkers would prioritize a theoretically "higher consciousness" process that sloughs off what works from earlier phases on the spiral... over the human wellbeing within the context of individual civic engagement is just a "brain in a jar" mistake. When the mind gets too complex in its analysis, people get ungrounded from reality and lose sight of simple practical wisdom. People who are truly at Tier 2 would be pragmatic about the situation because common sense and common decency has been integrated into their perspective instead of tossed away for something more complex and ineffective. And they will pull tools from whichever of the other phases most suits the political ends they feel serves the greater good... because pragmatism is the point. So this is just an example of Stage Orange Thinking believing it is superior to Stage Green Feeling... and tossing away the practical tools of phases earlier on the Spiral. But if they were suddenly on the chopping block, they'd wise up very quickly and realize that they're being an educated fool.

First off, who cares about Spiral Dynamics and what tier it's in, really. It's a useful model in some contexts. But if it gets in the way of common decency and common sense, then there's a problem. Don't be so smart that your brain falls out.

Then so called "sense-making" is nonsensical in this context... because it gets in the way of pragmatism and doesn't work with how the world actually works. It instead works with a naive idealistic vision of the world that doesn't exist. And it allows the forces of tyranny to take hold while so-called "sense-makers" get the intellectual victory of "being right". But reality can only be properly engaged with pragmatically on the level of reality itself. (And as an aside, this is also part and parcel SD Tier 2 thinking.) There is a story of the student and the master. And the master hands a very thin tea bowl to the student. The student takes the tea bowl and it immediately breaks in his hands. And the student exclaims "The tea bowl was too thin!" And the master replies, "No, you held it too hard." And the point of this parable is to showcase that there is wisdom with working with real world and how it works... rather than admonishing the world for not being ideal. Taking this parable into our context that we're discussing... it's practice in surrender to the nature of humanity, the world, and politics and working pragmatically with the reality AS OPPOSED TO saying that humanity, the world, and politics "should" function in a way other than what it does. And then resisting any practical adjustments that deviate from the idealized state of humanity, the world, and politics that only exist in your mind and in your conceptualization of abstract models like Spiral Dynamics. And that's why it's counter-productive navel gazing in this context because it necessarily opens to the doors for the forces of tyranny in favor of a more idealized political engagement. Also, SD Tier 2 politics looks a lot like Green politics with a little more systemic awareness and less demonization. The goals are largely the same, but approached from a different frame of mind. But until EVERYONE is in SD Tier 2 and has an IQ over 110 (which will never happen anytime near our lifetime), we have to engage with the multitude of diverse perspectives and levels of intelligence in order for democracy to function. And that means couching complex policy positions in the context of stories and narratives and slogans.

I'm an INFJ... really really close on the J and P though.

Explain what you mean with a bit more clarity. What is sense-making? How do you apply sense-making practically in the realm of politics WITHOUT weakening the impact of those that would practice good sense-making... thereby ensuring that those with bad sense-making will always win and take power? Why does it negate the ability to skillfully use rhetorical skills like shorty punchy slogans? How can you get the average person of average or below average intelligence to engage in sense-making regarding their engagement in politics? How does sense-making improve the outcomes of politics? In the meantime, check this video out to understand my issue with prioritizing sense-making over pragmatic outcomes...

It's a bit deeper than that. It doesn't actually have that much to do with the opposite sex or being side-lined by the opposite sex. That's mostly just a transference of deeper seated feelings onto a scapegoat because their deeper seated feelings tend to be triggered in dating and relationship contexts. And the opposite sex just becomes a projection screen to shadow box with their "inner demons." The difference between an Incel and a non-Incel isn't that the Incel is inherently less attractive to women. The difference is that the Incel is dealing with crippling feelings of shame that makes him much more sensitive to rejection... and internalizing that rejection as meaning something core to his sense of self and his sense of validity. And this kind of shame pattern tends to impact men more than women in part because most women don't do as much approaching and can derive a sense of security in the ability to connect by having men approaching her.... and in part because men are often expected (and expect one another) to match up to an idealized image of masculinity. And there hasn't been a male equivalent to women's lib. So, there's a pattern where men are stuck a bit more in patterns around traditional gendered expectations. And they can even be ridiculed or bullied by their male friends and acquaintances for straying from those expectations. And they will often be called feminine insults to get them to fall back in line with traditional masculine social expectations, which further exacerbates the shame of not matching up to idealized masculine expectations. Another thing that contributes to this issue is isolation and unmet connection needs more generally... which is reflective of collective social ails that have eroded community and interdependence. So it is this starvation for connection coupled with shame... interacting with online culture's tendency to create echo chambers around specific "vibrations" of pain.