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@Feel Good You're welcome. It's easy to fall into traps when beliefs in anything always function as blindspots. So, spiritual beliefs and non-dual beliefs are no different. In fact, non-dual BELIEFs are a lot more blinding than even the average belief. This is because intellectually-speaking, non-dual truths seem to invalidate everything in the dualistic understanding of the world. So, if a person has adopted non-duality as ideology and not as a path, then all of reality will become a blindspot. And instead of the expansion of consciousness that comes from ego transcendence, there will be a contraction in consciousness that comes from ego repression and the ignoring of basic things about reality.

Absolutely! Very well said.

Absolutely. It's all one huge social pattern that's a lot more complex than meets the eye. Right now, we're seeing a lot of upheaval because we are becoming more aware of that which has been relegated to the shadow of humanity. And it's ugly right now... but it will likely give way to more consciousness. That said, if we can temper that effect so that it doesn't destroy so many people, we should. So, I will always try to make people aware through words before the world steps in with circumstance and really drives the point across. But practicality is also part of spirituality. So, to invalidate the practical and mundane is to become unaware of an aspect of the spiritual. So, the most spiritual people are often the most practical. It's very unwise to relegate all practical concerns to the shadow.

There is a lot of invalidation of the most practical things. I think so many people want so much to progress on the spiritual path, that they lose sight of more obvious realities. So, it understandably can be quite frustrating. This is why I think taking a more integrative approach to spirituality is best. So, instead of only focusing toward formlessness and nothingness, there is also a respect for Earthliness and everything-ness.

These are even kind of second tier practical truths. So, yes. It's a bad thing to judge others, which are really what these truths are getting at. I agree with these truths from this perspective. That said, when people are already drowning in nuance, sometimes labels and 'telling it like it is' can be the most important thing to do. And reluctance to 'label' something for clearer understanding, comes from taking the truth of non-judgment too literally. It gets in the way of our ability for discernment and the ability to make wise decisions. So, I agree that we shouldn't judge and invalidate even extreme racists, because they are truly victims to their own unconsciousness. So, if they really new better and were more conscious, they wouldn't be falling victim to these patterns. So, it's of utmost important that we recognize them more as a symptom of a deeper cause and victim of that symptom, as opposed to demonizing them and writing them off as simply being evil. Things are a lot more complex that they seem on the surface. And it's only in understanding those complexities that we can truly untie this knot. But this is too nuanced to help people who may fall victim to this trap, which is the very reason why I made this post. In fact, this truth of non-judgment can be easily misconstrued by vulnerable people to make them more likely to fall into this trap. If we are unable to label things for what they are, we will always remain on unsteady ground and will become ignorant to the most obvious of dualistic truths and will become gullible to those who seek to exploit this vulnerability. So, again, it's VERY important to be able to choose the proper paradigm for the situation at hand. Sometimes, the most obvious of dualistic relative truths are the wisest to go with. Sometimes, it'll be a paradigm that's middling like the non-judgment and non-labeling truth. And other times, higher up spiritual truths will be the most appropriate. And it takes the cultivation of wisdom, correct perception, and discernment to choose the proper paradigm. This seems to be a skill that gets lost on this forum, as there are so many people who always default to the highest spiritual truths in every situation. Paradoxically, this is quite unwise.

I think it's important to be direct in this matter. People are already drowning in puddles of nuance, and those with most extreme views are using that to their advantage. Because people are not on firm ground, they are easily shifted toward more extreme viewpoints without really noticing what's going on. So, letting it out, in this circumstance is the wisest decision. I think it was George Orwell who stated, "We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men." People should not lose sight of the most obvious of truths, because they've gotten lost in a sea of nuance. This is what is meant by missing the forest for the trees.

I made this in response to the thread that was all about seeing the validity in so-called "Identitarian" movements like White Nationalism. And it seemed like almost everyone in the thread was going along with it and using non-duality to justify their beliefs or to see those viewpoints as equal to any other viewpoint. Now, from the non-dual perspective, it's true that all is one thing. But from the dualistic perspective, there's a huge difference in living in a society that value fairness, as opposed to a society that values one race over all others. And there are very real consequences to living in a society that values the latter. And it's just unwise to allow those kinds of viewpoints to proliferate unchecked. There has also been quite a lot of subtle acceptance toward more extremist views trickling into the main-stream in general, and this forum has been no exception. The only difference is that they use non-duality as an ideology to justify these viewpoints. So, that's why I think it's so important to not become gullible in our seeking for higher Truth. Too many people think that higher truths invalidate more practical truths, but it isn't the case.

One side of that conflict is all about OTHERing anyone who isn't in their in-group. The other side of that conflict is about OTHERing anyone who engages in OTHERing so that they can stop them from OTHERing. So, there is a problem on both sides, because we're not looking at the deeper patterns that feed into this problem where things can actually be resolved. One side demonizes everyone who isn't in their in-groupl And the other side demonizes everyone who demonizes those who aren't in their in-group. But make no mistake, both sides are not equal in this as both sides are not advocating for the same things. It's not always the case that if you have two sides to some issue that both sides are equally right or both sides are equally wrong. This is called false equivalency. Sometimes, one side is demonstrably worse if we look at the effects that it has on society.

@Key Elements @Arkandeus Ideally speaking, I don't judge those people as invalid by calling them ignorant or gullible. I call them that because they are ignorant and/or gullible. I am simply calling a spade a spade. They are not that way on purpose as no one would consciously choose ignorance or gullibility if they realized that they were being gullible or ignorant. Life is hard, and people are vulnerable. So, anyone can end up in a situation like that with so many blind-spots. I plainly see how I could have ended up in the same trap. So, understand that this is not a condemnation of those people. It's a recognition that if their viewpoints take a foothold in society, we will be facing some very negative consequences. And when those consequences arise, 'top shelf' spiritual truths believed at the level of intellect simply won't suffice. Saying 'all is one' in the face of no danger makes us feel like we've already transcended. But in saying 'all is one' in the face of danger, we will realize that most of us didn't actually realize that... we just believed it. And an intellectual belief about the Truth is NOT the Truth. So, for the sake of all those not directly abiding in the non-dual state, we should care about what takes a foothold in our societies. We should care about the goings-on within the dualistic perspective. If it our intention to lessen our own suffering by abiding in the non-dual state, then we should also care about the well-being within duality as this is also a part of ourselves. It's important to realize that sometimes 'top-shelf' spiritual truths taken at an intellectual level, will cause us to miss out on and repress away so many relative truths. But those relative truths are also valid from certain perspectives. And seeing relative truths as invalid and inherently less appropriate in ALL situations will cause us to make very foolish decisions in the sphere of duality. And it will set us ever further away from what is Truth. Everyday life is not to be transcended and invalidated as a lesser perspective. Duality is also part of non-duality. Be wise with your paradigm choices in any given situation.

Long live King Roboto! VICTORY! VICTORY! VICTORY!

Thank you!

Perhaps it is a synchronistic symbol. Birds tend to represent freedom, higher perspectives, and even communication (in the case of pigeons specifically). Perhaps you are feeling like freedom and communication are not possible and that your prospects for these things have been cut off. Do you ever feel trapped or unable to communicate?

It's just that you seem to be very defensive every time I talk to you, like you think I'm insulting you or something. And then you go on little mini-rants about deceitful women, landwhales, and the unconscious masses. So, I was asking because it seems to me that you believe yourself to be more conscious than most other people. That's the vibe that your posts give off. As far as me being well-adjusted, it depends on which area of life we're talking about. Financially I struggle quite a bit still. And because I spend most of my time with my children and husband, I don't have a very rich social life. But otherwise, I've done a lot of introspection and inner work, and I am very brutally self-honest and willing to look at things within myself that are good, bad, and ugly. So, in this regard, I am quite well-adjusted and centered in reality. It's the reason why I recognize the great harm that judging others causes, and the boomerang effect that it has. So, that's why I don't go around hating on men, hating on women, or judging fat people, or blaming the unconscious masses. I realize the vulnerability inherent in the human experience, and I can access genuine feelings of empathy toward them. It's easy to walk in other's shoes. That said, I do get incredibly frustrated when people hold ignorant beliefs, but think themselves to be more conscious than others. On the more self-focused end of things, I'm tired of women being the projection screen for that kind of unconsciousness. It's very frustrating to be on the receiving end of so much unearned hatred and judgment. On the more altruistic end of things, I know that people who do this are suffering immensely under the weight of their own judgments and projections. And because it's a widespread phenomena it is such a handicap to human consciousness evolution. And I feel a sense of urgency to help people who are in this trap, because it will eventually blow up into something ugly. But I'm frustrated at the same time... so if I am blunt with you, that is why. Now, something beautiful will probably grow from that ugly mess. But I want to avoid it if possible by making people more aware of their unconsciousness before it reaches a fever pitch. But rigidity is an aspect of the very repression that I mentioned earlier on in the thread. So, it's somewhat difficult to get through to people who are sold on the anti-feminine world-views being espoused on the internet as of late. And there are millions of people out there who are into those ideas, many of who are also suffering from Anima Possession. So, it's all quite overwhelming to try to make a difference in that.

This is wrong thinking... simply because it's thinking. The mind cannot understand the difference between Nihilism/Solipsism and the nature of things, because they sound the same to human intellect. But they are diametric opposites. One rule of thumb that you can always count on... if it feels worse and more contacted as a worldview, then you know that you're mistaken. There is nothing more wondrous than reality beyond ego. I made a video about a trap on the path toward enlightenment that I think might be helpful to you to shake the beliefs in Nihilism and Solipsism, and get back into a space of open-ness.

Do you consider yourself to be a healthy and well-adjusted person? Did you ever consider that perhaps your mindsets are a symptom of the very problem of low consciousness that you perceive?

@Charlotte It is an inescapable fact of living the human experience that you will always be self-motivated. So, you will NEVER be able to extricate your desires from self-motivated concerns. It is just natural. Animals (and even plants to a certain extent) are all the same way. They are also designed to be primarily self-motivated. So, no matter what you do, you will always be self-focused even in your most altruistic intentions. However, because all is one, this self-focus makes perfect sense and isn't negative at all. So, the problem is not that you're self-focused... the problem is that you don't realize how extensive the self REALLY is. If you noticed that everything was 'yourself', then you would recognize that your desire to help animals is not only motivated by making yourself happy that the animals are better off... it is also motivated by the fact that the animals are you and you're doing something nice for yourself (a.k.a. God) through the animals. Nothing is separate from self... so self motivation will be all encompassing.

Sounds like a great plan! If you've got great aim, great ambition and great work ethic, I'm sure you'll achieve all that and more!

Thanks!

@SageModeAustin I'm glad that it was helpful.

I used to be on the forum quite a bit when Leo first opened it up a couple years back. It really helped me get more traffic to my channel. Then, I didn't go on for about a year. But in recent months, I come on a couple times a day for a few minutes a piece... maybe longer if I answer to people's questions. But not that often, honestly. Most of my posts were made like two years ago. But you can laugh all you want. What I'm saying is true.

I don't care if you're turned off by what I say. It's not meant to be arousing... it's meant to snap you out of your worldview so that you can see the distortion that you're mired in, which is very obvious by the talking points that you're sold on and the level of bitterness behind the way you speak of women. It's a huge epidemic actually, so there are thousands of guys who are stuck in this same prison. So, if you can look with true detachment and pay attention, you'll see a lot of people mired in the same distortion, and you will already be able to see the distortion before they are even remotely aware of it. This is why I am already picking up on what your issue is before you even realize that you have an issue. So many men are suffering from Anima possession, and their energy gives it away by even just reading a little bit of what they've written. Because of their Anima possession, they are over-whelmed by the Shadow Feminine qualities that the repressed Anima infuses into their personality: bitterness, passive aggressiveness, bitchiness, blaming others instead of taking personal responsibility, pettiness, lack of acceptance of reality, etc. These Shadow Feminine qualities can be found in most men who are sold on the Red Pill philosophies and worldview, despite their desire to be more masculine. So, by your original post, it seemed as though you were interested in self-actualization. And I won't sugar-coat it for you... You will never become self-actualized if you're at war with women. The Anima will not let you. And if you don't think you're at war with women, dig a little deeper and be a little more honest.

This post shows me that you have no idea what I said in my post. This post is the paragon of the very resistance to women that will keep you ever entrenched in your attachment to women and their validation. So, "unplugging" right now is literally impossible for you. You are not capable of detachment if you harbor so much hate and resistance to the Feminine that you can't even make a post without insulting women as a whole group. And it's quite clear that you don't appreciate Femininity at all... not by a long shot. In fact, you have no clue what the feminine actually is. And your resistance to the Feminine is palpable. And your Anima will punish you at every turn for this hatred of the Feminine. Resistance to women equals resistance to self. And you will never self-actualize if you hate such a major part of yourself. You will just be stuck judging those "land whales" with their "frappy drinks" and all of that judgment will boomerang right back at you. You'll be like a dog chasing its tail. And whenever you catch your tail and bite yourself, you will think it's women who have bitten it. And it will only cause you to chase your tail faster and with more vehemence. If you really want to detach, stop judging and let go of your delusional beliefs about yourself, women, and reality. You're stuck in a pool of acid and it's eating you alive a little bit every day. Detachment is necessary for you. But at present, you're so attached to your beliefs about women that you'd be obsessed with women even if you never spoke to a woman again. How many times a day do you think about women in anger? Does ever a day go by that you're not bitter toward women? Probably not. How much brain space do you waste?

It's normal to be more attracted to more attractive people and to value them more in a romantic sense. But it's not normal to think of more attractive women as being inherently more valuable than less attractive women. That is a learned behavior based in a distorted contracted worldview. So, the main problem I see here is the central importance you're giving to sexual attractiveness as the SOLE or CENTRAL conveyor of worth. This is a mindset that many people struggle under because sex becomes the entire underlying context for life. And the effects of this are both subtle and pervasive. It's like a virus, where all of the thoughts in your mind all center around sex in some way shape or form. This will come back to bite you HARD, because you will unconsciously think that your value rests with women's opinions about your value in the sexual marketplace. So, you will be constantly feeling low in yourself, and then seeking sex with women to validate your own worth to yourself. And you will think women are doing the same thing to you as you are to them. And it will become projected onto women as a whole group, who will look like horrible demons who only exist to suck you dry and validate/invalidate you. I see this ALL the time. So, you definitely should see that value itself is just a practical tool of the human mind. So, in the context of dating, it's fine to value people more in that sense. But if you put sex as the entire purpose and context for everything in life, then it's a given that you will come to relate everyone's sexual value to their inherent existential value. If sexuality is life, then you will only see value in those with sexual value to you. And if you don't qualify... you'll get left out of your own worldview.

The thing you're talking about is what I thought he was talking about at first, and why I thought it could be positive. But yeah... it seems like MGTOW guys are always trying to convince themselves that they don't live and die by the opinions of women, when it's really obvious that they do. And then they're like, "Well we just won't talk to women then." (metaphorically runs upstairs like a teenager and slams the door in hopes that a woman will care enough to talk them out of it). If they really wanted to sever themselves from the indoctrinations of society by distancing themselves from relationships, they would just do it and not care much what women do and don't do. They would worry about themselves during that process of exploration and shadow work... but not in relation to women. But given that they label themselves as MGTOWs, they definitely want people (women especially) to KNOW that they're MGTOWs and are often really obsessed with hating women. This shows that they really care a tremendous amount what women think. And they're trying really hard to convince themselves and others (especially women) that they "really really really REALLY don't care (times infiity plus one... Men made this society and you live by THEIR rules!!!! How do you like that? huh? I bet you're pretty upset? huh?....(ten years later)... that's why you're NOTHING! NOTHING! How dare you take Feminism and oppress men with it you bitc.... (25 years later).... go ride on the cock carousel with your ugly cu.... (in the grave).... just know that I don't care not one bit if you EVER talk to me again." And the whole time that guys just been going over that same script in his head. So, even if he never said it, it took up so much of his brain space that he'd only ever use a fraction of his potential. He may never interact with a woman again in life... but women would still be taking up 95% of his time and be to blame for all of his problems.

"It's not about fear or running away, rather it is about simply being content with yourself and accepting the reality that yes, all women are fundamentally deceitful and self serving, and that the usual checks and balances that were in place to keep them in line have been destroyed by introduction of feminism, birth control, tinder, and social media. Its about surrendering to reality regarding men's place in western society today." Until this point, you seemed to be being pretty reasonable. And I was thinking, "Well, if he doesn't harbor resistance toward women, then perhaps severing himself from the social matrix for a while might be of help. It may help him unwire his distorted worldview about how women and men are and should be." But the above quote shows me that your severance from the social matrix will only lead to you becoming more entrenched in your own ideas about the way reality works, and further severing yourself from your own feminine side. A person who is in resistance to an entire gender will be unable to self-actualize. There is an aspect of you that is female. And that part of yourself hates you because you hate it. And as long as you think this way, you will always suffer from a feminine terror that appears to be coming from the outside... but is actually coming from the inside.