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@kieranperez Okay fine if you don’t care what I think then I’ll let you know what I think. My whole point is that it seems like you’re denying the fact that emotions are created by thoughts because that’s hard to accept. “So my own thoughts create my own depression? Nope that’s false I better deny it.” If you don’t care then don’t get triggered at this. Leo has a video on depression, if you don’t want to hear it from me then hear it from him. Its an old 2015-2016 vid. He mentions its the person’s psychology that creates the depression.

@kieranperez Of course direct experience is the best teacher, but at the same time ego, false beliefs, and all that exists. Ask a catholic who blessed him with his money and health? “Jesus my lord and savior of course, he was in my direct experience.” Ask a psychologically dysfunctional guy with money and relationship issues, how to get money and girls? “Oh people get rich by scamming people and being greedy. Girls? Girls are only attracted to looks and money.” Where did you get those beliefs? “Direct experience.”

@kieranperez I don’t even feel like breaking it down right now. Is that your own opinion or did you get that idea from a reputable source

@kieranperez Or maybe the thoughts create the emotion in the first place.

Is it an issue with the companies? Or is it yourself?

@purerogue Its your thoughts that have an affect on you, not the emotion itself.

@purerogue Okay now I get what you're saying. But that is only in the moment. I thought you were saying over time it damages you through the snowball effect. Sure you want to end this conversation, but again, that is only in the moment. Emotions in the past don't have a significant change on your perspective in the future. Maybe you can argue they do, but only little to none.

@purerogue If you read the original post, in a tiny font it says "Note: I'm not talking about myself but I'm mainly just seeking more understanding around this idea." Because I know people are going to assume I'm talking about myself. How can it be damaging? And how does someone not see something as passion? It's the activity that is damaging. If someone had a smoking addiction, its the activity of smoking that is damaging. Doesn't matter if they see it as a passion or addiction, those are just words. You mentioned passion is just an emotion. If its is just an emotion, then why are you saying its damaging? Are you aware that Leo often talks about finding your life purpose? Do you watch his videos? What is the benefit of acquiring your mindset around this topic? What does it help you achieve? "Oh I'm not going to find my life purpose its damaging to my health, I'm just going to sit around and work a job."

@purerogue Who said passion lasts forever? Who said passion frees you from suffering? Please elaborate on your ideas, sorry but I find 0 value from your posts. Also, I don't know who you are and what kind of results you have in your life thinking like that. If you have everything I'm looking for then please let me know your ways

@kieranperez But what did I say to make you think I misunderstand discipline? I understand discipline pretty well. I've been going to the gym for around 7 years now since grade 11, I LOVE the gym. A lot of ups and downs, setbacks, phases where I was going through depression but I still showed up anyway. A LOT of days where I felt like crap, but still showed up even if its a crappy workout. Here's how I think about it: Passion = Creates sustainability. The strong emotions, the love for a specific thing. Discipline = The drive that keeps you moving forward to work towards a goal. Sometimes I think of it as a way to control or to manipulate yourself into action and pushing through the pain and struggle. I guess we can also think of it as intrinsic and extrinsic motivation. Passion being intrinsic, discipline being extrinsic.

@kieranperez True, but with some exceptions. Sometimes passion is all you need. A great artist loves painting or drawing, and I'm sure he doesn't have to have massive amounts of discipline to work on his paintings. He would just take his time and enjoy the process. Unless he has a goal to create 50 paintings within' a month and is pressured by some management team for money, then in that case that would require some discipline and commitment. With your cycling example for me, I love cycling, I bike to work every day. Yup not everyday I'm excited to bike to work, it often rains where I'm from. So 70% of the time these days I'm cycling through heavy rain, water splashing in my face, showing up to work with wet socks and wet underwear. My 9-5 is a grind, I have mixed feelings about it. Sometimes I forget to appreciate the decent pay. All I can say is that its a source of income that will help me invest in other things to reach my financial goals. So I'd say there's somewhat passion there, but mainly commitment and discipline.

@purerogue When I first read your post, I thought to myself, “hmm. True.” We brush our teeth, walk, scratch our heads, use our eyes, breathe, sleep, etc. But is it true that we don’t have passion for those things? Could it be that, sure we don’t specifically have passion for those things but simply a passion for our own lives or else we wouldn’t be alive? If we had a passion to live then we would do the simple things within it. Or I’ve also thought to myself that there are different levels of passion, levels 1-10. Brushing our teeth means good hygiene, I personally like to keep clean and have good health so my passion for good health or brushing my teeth is level 7. Biking to work, hmm that means getting my cardio in and working out my leg muscles, so that’s level 7-8. And I can go on with a huge list.

@Preetom When it comes to applying it to a mass population, I’ve always thought of it as; society has been and is always moving forward subconsciously, through observation of the media, actions of other people, and use of technology. It is happening this very second, but I probably wouldn’t say it happens in an upward straight line but more like the harmonic oscillator that Leo mentioned in one of his recent videos. Or another example would be like looking at a graph in the financial markets. Evolution is moving forward, but very slowly. So there is not much we can do right now to speed up the process, but to simply just let things be and let society sort itself out. For example, WW1 and WW2 definitely has helped us move forward as a whole, has it not? With Leo being one of the popular leaders in the Self-Actualization community, he definitely has a huge impact on a large group of people, but its still not enough to completely change the world. I think of it as him reaching a large audience with his videos, and less than 5% of those people will actually use the knowledge they’ve learned from him to try to make a difference in the world themselves as well. Although it doesn’t even have to mean us trying to spread an ideology, but simply improving own psyche and existing in the world for others to observe our actions and move those around us forward, subconsciously.

@Toby Wow I searched that up and wiki has a pretty good explanation for what you’re talking about. And I think it has the answer I was looking for the whole time. I don’t want to try to explain it without reading the whole thing but it doesn’t really say passion = suffering, it mentions there’s different types of passions. Here’s the wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_(emotion)

@Shadowraix Meant to compare it to someone starting a lego business. And btw I use that example because somewhere in Leo’s Life Purpose course he mentions a story of some guy who had a life purpose in legos and created a successful business around it. So what about you and I? Assuming that your life purpose isn’t legos, how can we build a business around legos and sustain it if theres no passion? I know plenty of people who are interested in improving themselves but never stick with it.

@Shadowraix Ok so they’re psychologically underdeveloped, then if they don’t have the passion in personal development in order to grow, then how will they grow at all? But if we take the lego example, that’s like saying people who aren’t passionate about legos are psychologically under-developed just because they’re not passionate about it? @K VIL No worries. Ok sure we can argue that what I stated is an assumption that people want more money and better health. But it can also be an assumption to say that people don’t want it? I assume so because I’d say the biggest issue for most human beings is money problems. I’d also say the 2nd is health problems. Cancer is an example of these hundreds of health problems out there. So of course people want more money and better health, but at the same time they’re just not willing to do the work or that they don’t know how to create those results.

@K VIL Maybe I am using the wrong word, passion is necessary in order to sustain something. From what you’re saying, my understanding is that you’re saying consistency is the solution here. And maybe you’re saying consistency brings passion? But what about my lego example? If someone were to be consistent with building legos and a whole entire business around it without the passion, how would he be able to sustain it? There’s no way he would find passion around it if he wasn’t genuinely passionate about it from the start? What if we took the example of marrying someone you’re not interested in? If a couple isn’t interested in each other from the start, but got married for the heck of it, then they’ll get divorced within’ a couple years or less. And when I talk consistency or sustainability, I mean 5+ years. Someone with no passion for something probably could stick with that thing for a year with a lot of discipline, but they’ll probably quit before the 5 year mark.

Aw makes me disappointed no one is answering my question or posting at all. Although I guess the conclusion is that the 95% of people who aren’t passionate about that one certain beneficial endeavor is screwed.

@F A B Right? Even though these things can be beneficial for everyone, sometimes it just seems like its not for everyone. No matter how much orange self-help says “Don’t be lazy! Motivate yourself, get back up!!” Manipulating yourself into action can only bring you so far. The passion is the main thing that brings long-term consistency.

Either one of the two: validation or marketing. Some people actually make money on Instagram so its not always just about getting approval from others.

Found this video of a farmer spraying this liquid manure on these anti-GMO protesters who are trespassing on his land. Seems to me like Orange reacting to Green Then of course Occupy Wall Street, Green against Orange

Been thinking about this lately, interested in how others live their lives. I’ll start first. Haven’t really thought of myself as a minimalist, but I guess I can call myself one, although not completely because of my 9-5 and still pursuing money/freedom. Once I have the time freedom, my goal is to live life like what Leo described in his “Lifestyle Minimalism” video. My life basically is, work 9-5 Monday to Friday. Gym after work for an hour Mon-Wed, Sat. Then stay at home after all that, dedicated to figuring out my financial situation, then of course watching Leo’s videos. On weekends, got the whole day, meditate 30mins Sat & Sun (I know I should everyday), then stay in, read books, watch videos. From time to time I’ll go out by the water and just enjoy nature. Only got 1-2 people I can call friends, I only choose to hang with them once every two-weeks or month. I just value my time and love my solitude. Money is only saved, spent on food, rent, and investments. Rarely buy clothes or entertainment. Some noteable habits: Affirmations, listening to Leo podcasts at work, journalling, contemplation, then meditation, gym, and reading like I mentioned. What is your life like?

Been thinking about this lately because I’ve constantly been analyzing my parent’s psychological behaviors and how their inner psychology seems to keep them stuck in the same place. Every single year for me, my brother, my dad, and sister’s birthday, we literally go to the same exact all-you-can-eat buffet. My brother and mom almost have the same birth day so we would go there on either one of those days of that month. So with all this being said, we go to the same exact restaurant 4 times a year, and this has been happening for over 5-8 years now. So I question, why does this happen? Could it just be a psychological issue of constantly returning to one’s old behaviors? Another interesting example is big lottery winners and somehow losing all the money that they’ve won within a couple years. It seems like their inner psychology just isn’t developed enough and used to the all the money and the new lifestyle, that it brings them back into how they lived previously. Another example is one staying stuck in the same job for decades. Or living in the same house, or same girlfriend at 40 years old, since elementary. I can go on with more examples, and examples of my family and these behavioral patterns, but that’ll just take awhile. What are some ways one can break out of their old psychological patterns?

@non_nothing Still hating, oh well.