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@Revolutionary Think That response was merely a reflection to a specific reply so the poster could possibly see the nature of it. Of the person acting that way I see someone in pain very much like everyone who identifies with their pain and creates the self caused suffering carried on with d an ideology built to justify their self suffering. It may be an extreme version of it but it is no different than what we all can experience if our self suffering manifests unchecked. It is the very same method we all use to justify our self induced suffering and while it can produce hatred of others it also is the source of what can also become the depression of the thread topic in so many even if it isn't so outwardly offensive. With depression it may be a hatred of oneself or one's life or a helplessness but just like that man it's a pain, that the self continues to suffer with. Of course that isn't the chemically caused depression which is another matter altogether, that isn't a self induced suffering.

Do you think it's healthy that you find happiness in others misery?

You keep focusing on all the externalized opinion "sides" but are failing to recognize the source of the anger, hatred and hurtful behavior, the in "side". No, I don't need to understand their opinion "side" but each one of us understanding our own in "side" is how we will cease building up and expressing the type of emotions and actions that harm ourselves and others. If someone is awake and examining their self no opinion or viewpoint should foster such harmful emotions and behavior, it's that simple. Although, if is someone is asleep in ignorance of their self this is the type of stuff that it produces. Whether it's "perfectly human" or not isn't the question.

People's behavior speaks itself and is what it is, I don't "judge" anyone. You think being so attached to one's own opinion to the point that it produces this type of hatred and behavior is psychologically healthy?

I don't have to understand anyone's "side", pro or anti anything, it doesn't benefit me at all to "understand" an opinionated "side", any of them. All animosity and hatred is a product of not understanding one's self on the in "side". That's the only "side" I seek to understand, my in "side".

@Clint Eastwood What is there to understand about the other "side"? It's people extremely attached to their opinion and finding an opportunity to vent their hatred on others, it not about understanding someone's position, it's about something on the in "side" of themselves they need to understand.

@alyra Please explain this "duality", I don't see it.

In my opinion most of the pro Trump mentality is just a form of psychosis. Those people have problems with everyone.

Who is it that said the human condition is a mental illness? If they didn't, they should have.

I am one with everything so I am all the Rolls Royces that ever existed... just no smoking in me, it stinks.

....because the alternative has produced such a sane society devoid of suffering, right?

This is an example of how enlightenment isn't about knowledge, understanding, truth or any ideas, concepts and beliefs. Enlightenment is about awareness, both in focusing awareness on the moment and expanding our awareness, so the mind will get preoccupied with what it can be aware of and fixate on that as a way to gain it's identity. The way I view it to limit the disharmony in me or anyone is to let it come to me, I don't seek out opportunities to tell anyone anything. If someone seeks out my opinion or are venting or complaining then I offer what I can but not much more than that. This limits the exposure in real life to potentially running afoul of egos and possible conflict. Online it's a little harder because in public forums people seek all sorts of stuff and it can be difficult to discern exactly what they are seeking or need to satisfy them. This is where most of the disharmony comes in my own experience now so I am always learning ways to offer what I can with few expectations and avoiding conflict even while addressing a wide range of topics.

I'm pleased to see that you put the words "control" and "negative" in quotes because those are words that can complicate things so at least you recognize they need to be contextualized. Trying to control, especially something like emotions, is very frustrating and virtually an impossibility since emotions rise from our unconscious mind. "Negative" is really just our personal perspective of something, it's not that emotions are in of themselves either positive or negative. I'm also pleased to learn you have already begun to see the distinction between pain and suffering, while we are in painful circumstances it is commonly referred to as suffering, though, there is a self imposed suffering that happens when we aren't immediately in the painful circumstances but it continues to linger in our consciousness. What you called being a victim and it isn't necessarily a commentary on whether the painful circumstances were of our own doing or not but the victim mindset is a form of self suffering which you apparently recognize. It doesn't mean you are weak minded at all, even the most strong minded people will self suffer, it's just the way the ego will exert influence to guide us into certain behaviors. It seems you would benefit from becoming more detached from the reactionary emotional impulses evoked by the ego, this doesn't mean become detached from all emotions, it's just not reflexively endorsing the ones that the ego offers up. When the ego wants you to suffer with an emotion that makes it the situation or you feel even worse, don't agree with it. It's difficult to counter those reactionary impulses the ego instigates in us in the moment they are occurring so it's helpful to work to counter them in meditation beforehand. By using visualization to envision ourselves in circumstances that would normally trigger the suffering emotions but instead we see ourselves thinking, feeling and behaving in the alternative ways we seek for ourselves. Music is a powerful resource for us to inspire emotional connection to ideas so if you can find non-distracting music to use in these meditation sessions it will make them more effective when coupled with the visualizations. Cultivate the emotional response you seek with help from inspiring music while envisioning yourself in those circumstances will influence the unconscious mind to make the associations we intend and will "recall" them in the circumstances. It may not happen right away and it may not disappear forever even after we do see some change in us but eventually we can find relief from self suffering through letting go of the old and using the imagination to create new. The mind can't really tell the difference between what's real and what's imagined because it uses the same parts of the brain for both, use that to your advantage.

This is more dualism delusion, to experience isn't dualistic and as soon as you break your belief in dualism you will see how obviously you are under the delusion of dualism. Even if you think there is one divided into two, dualism, there is really a third that the primitive part of our mind fails to recognize and is the source of this misperception of a dualism delusion.

If I could just make a suggesting that how you are framing it all may be contributing to the pattern, labeling with good and bad could be creating the swinging. That doesn't mean I'm suggesting removing all morality, but that in our inner work by labeling one group of habits with good and another groups with bad the strength of the associations is triggering increased instances of them. When we create a mental construct around groups of habits our subconscious mind will label and link them together to help orient it self and if that construct involves the notion you swing between period of one group of them and another group of them, the subconscious will oblige in prompting the impulses to behave in accordance with the way we view them. So disconnecting all these individual habits from label groups and viewing them as instances of them on their own removes the powerful associations that can bond them in the subconscious mind. Even if you have one instance of individual habit they won't empower others cascading them into these periods you swing between. There are many methods to redirect yourself away from old habits and into new ones but you can find them easy enough without me talking on all of them. What I was hoping to illuminate is how we can subconsciously create the experiences we are going through by how we view them and altering our view of them can often be the most effective way to influencing the associations.

Why do you believe that the idea you have about consciousness is false and another idea is true? All that amounts to is swapping a belief for another one, then instead of believing the old one, you are believing the new one and belief is still framing the paradigm of the mind. Just because others agree with you, whether on the old idea in certain ideological circles or on the new idea in different ideological circles, it's still a belief in the mind's paradigm. It's not the ideas in of themselves that are of value, it's how those ideas serve our experience that are the value. Belief in an idea is the framework of the mind's paradigm and by labeling an idea it's the mind seeking to identify it more than our experience of observing it in the present moment to fit it into it's paradigm of beliefs. An idea is like a flower in the field, it's beautiful and alive as it is in it's natural state of being but once we pick that flower to keep for our self it dies. An absence of belief in any mind paradigm is an inherent trait of being present in the moment awareness, this 'presence' doesn't go about labeling things as true or false, It is simply being as it is and observes as it is without using systems to identify which are the processes and products of the paradigm creating mind. Presence isn't using a belief to be present, it is just being aware as it is and observing the moment as it is.

@Prabhaker So be it....

@Prabhaker .....and those with the ears to hear will hear.

@Prabhaker He calls it commune they call it church..... those with the eyes to see will see.

@Prabhaker No really, what? Well, except he isn't aware of his own faith, that's different I guess.

What's the difference between Osho and any one of those TV evangelist preachers living lavishly? No joke, really what?

@Socrates So this good and evil mind paradigm is just relative assessments based on subjective perspective that has no way to conclusively determine it's validity? How do you apply your "theory with real life" as you asserted others are not doing? There are a multitude of actions that are very much grey areas of disputed morality, how do they get determined to be sorted in this absolutes paradigm of good and evil? Is it just left up to each of us in determining which is good and evil depending on our subjective perspective of relative assessments?

@Socrates You used many words to avoid answering the question, will you answer the question? From who or where does this standard come and how to determine it's validity?

I have asked a question of people who suggest good and evil exists apart from just in the mind many times so I will ask you, from who or where does this standard come from and how to determine if it's valid?

There are plenty of people who position themselves as teachers but instead of clarifying it they obscure what is actually quite simple in an effort to sustain their status. This can lead many who are seeking liberation from their self imposed suffering to be even more disillusioned and they may eventually become embittered and doubtful. Then some of these disillusioned ones may try to coddle their own suffering minds by dissuading and distracting others from seeking what they themselves do not have. If they weren't suffering and instead were fulfilled in their life they wouldn't seek to discourage anyone else from seeking it for themselves regardless of the way it is found.