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You agree with my question? That stripping all of the experience from experience then question how anyone can learn from experience is a flawed theory.... ironically. Theory is just the product of ideas and concepts which contributes to a mind's paradigm but enlightenment is transcending all of those so it's useless in the exercising of our awareness to be it. It's an addiction of the mind it can't give up and does everything in it's power to convince us to identify with it but the mind can be free of that vice if we seek to be free from it.

@Truth Eventually the specific articulation of perception becomes so individualized in it's particular coherence there is no peer in any other variation of the infinite potential so it's accuracy is only valuable to each instance. The only way it becomes toxic is if it is allowed to become that way and we unknowingly or in awareness intend it to be.

So you try to sterilize everything that comes with experience in life then wonder how can anyone learn from the experience of life? Interesting....

@Truth Yes, the need to know impulse is an effect in our mind from the finite experience, it is a hunger or a yearning. Being present in awareness is an infinite experience that brings fulfillment and satiates that craving of the mind.

Well, it seems like you are allowing the finite portion of consciousness to create the narrative of the circumstances from it's finite perspective. As you grow more aware of what you don't know the ego is telling the story of "like I'm always taking 5 steps backwards the more I dive" to exert control and you are believing it. Time to flip the script, create the narrative from the infinite, tell the story from that limitless potential and believe that instead. It's at least a more optimistic tale of existence. The word I use for the that curious agnostic disposition of consciousness I recognize in my life experience if I were to call it anything would be seeking.

Does it need a word?

In what way? You don't explain in what way is it an obstacle, what kind if obstacle or what it is hindering you from.

You nailed it, don't allow others to distract you from this simple perspective you have. It's us just being in awareness accepting as it is without judging it as real or illusion or truth or false or any of that, just being in the moment. So many spiritualists will tell us we need to drop our concepts and story but are quick to then supplant it with their concept and story in it's place calling it the "truth" and want us to agree with it. The conflict could be that you are just being and accepting things as they are but others are telling you that it's not enough, that you need to agree with them in their conceptual belief on what's real or illusion and truth or false. So this input you are getting may be causing the conflict, if you are at peace with just being in acceptance then why allow others dissatisfaction with your contentment of just being create any conflict in you. We let it just pass on through while we are just aware in being, passively observe it float away since there is no use for it in us, it's not our dissatisfaction, it's theirs they are attempting to give to us by planting the seed of their own discontent in us. It is what it is so just let it be.

When someone adheres to an idea or concept so it is a dogmatic belief the scope of it's influence is on the individual in limiting their ability to transcend the self's attachment to it and free the awareness to evolve to a selfless perspective. Yet when someone in this same circumstance is telling others that their dogmatic attachment is the "truth" or the "right way" or even the "only way" for others they are projecting a personal experience as a universal one. So if someone is going around telling others what is truth, right or the only way on spiritual matters the scope of it's influence goes from being just the individual to potentially many more others. Spirituality is a very personal experience and teaching universal interpretations of experience does more to confuse than it does to clarify. If we were exploring physics then there are universal truths but this is spirituality so any "truth" we may discover are personal ones from our interpretation of experience. How to call attention to this dynamic so sincere seekers will not allow themselves to fall into the mind trap of it without the awareness of it becoming another dogmatic concept the mind clings to can be a paradoxical situation. It's similar to the quandary of scaffolding and our ever evolving conscious being, our work is ongoing since we are always changing so the tools are useful but part of our work is to not look to the tools that help us work as being more than they are. The work we are doing is in our conscious being through awareness.... if there is any spiritual truth that is universal, this would be it.

It just illustrates how easy it is for the mind to cling to a concept as truth so attracts the attention of our awareness and distract us from being present. It's not wrong or bad, it's just the natural behavior of the mind, that's what it evolved to do. Although, we are seeking to transcend the need or desire to engage in it at the core of our consciousness, the awareness, even if the mind seeks to capture our attention with it's monkey mind dance...lol

I do try to stop with the dogma and I appreciate you reminding me to. Although, the concept that "the only way this infinite cycle can be broken is through silence" is dogma, too, even if it's not said and just held in the mind as a truth....jussayin....

The concept itself isn't really the problem, because we can use a concept in the moment to navigate through a current circumstance we are in. If we cling to that concept and it becomes a part of a paradigm we call it truth and even go around telling others it's the truth. This is when the concept passes from something we used in the moment to manage a situation to becoming something personally dogmatic. Finding a way to use a concept in the moment, as scaffolding, and not become attached to it as "truth" is tricky as you mentioned, our mind wants to be "right", to have the knowledge. We can train the monkey mind to become not clingy to the things that pass through it, to cease giving it importance or imparting a truthiness to it and make it part of it's monkey process to let go of it. So as we approach what we call enlightenment, which is another concept in itself that we should let go of, our mind doesn't become a hindrance by clinging to the scaffolding that may guide us to free our awareness. A concept doesn't defile, it isn't a sin, it's a tool, it's scaffolding used for the moment we use it then we let go of it.

Thinking dogma is dogma is dogma and calling that dogma is dogma.....now that we cleared this up we can free ourselves from it.

@Loreena Yea, it's just a metaphor, scaffolding is a framing used in creating or constructing something that isn't the thing being built, like a temple or huge epic statue or building. Our being is what's under construction and any ideas, concepts and understandings of that process of creating it are the scaffolding. Then people come along and call certain scaffolding truth and others false, they see theirs as the best or the right scaffolding and others are worse or wrong. They form religions to their preferred scaffolding or spiritual belief systems, write books about it, cash in big time on scaffolding, make their scaffolding holy, it's enlightenment scaffolding! The OP didn't like the scaffolding here....hah

If it was your child how would it resonate?

Ladies and gentleman of the jury, yes, my client raped, tortured and murdered that child which he did it out of love and since he is enlightened it cannot be held against him according to an unawakened morality but you being unenlightened and conditioned cannot understand it. The defense rests. *crickets*

Capture.... interesting word choice... subliminal message in it? Heh

Reality is all of it, positive, negative, neutral and none of those.

It's the best dogma! Everybody gotta get them some of that.... no..... they need that dogma!....lol

@Joseph Maynor As we become less attached to our self the things of that identity become less a part of our present being. They may not become "trash" to us but are just a memory of our path to the present moment, nature doesn't trash things, nature recycles them, what dies and falls away feeds another so in that way our old self dies and falls away but it feeds the new being we are in awareness. Just don't allow ourselves to become attached to the memory of our journey and worship it as "truth" or it becomes a church of dead ideas....lol.

@Joseph Maynor Yup, although it seems some people think their scaffolding is the "true" framing and the concepts that make up their scaffolding are the "truth" for everyone.

More dogma.

Being at peace with what may be swirling around us whether it be chaos or order and is probably both is not an abstinence from any turmoil or an immersion in tranquility.

Why do you believe I listened to Leo in the first place, or at all.... ever... or that anyone has? Hm? Although, from your own post I can clearly see you are critical of people who don't do as you do, this self righteous judgment has positioned your own preferences not just as superior method but a moral superiority because your ways, you ironically justify in your mind as concept, are truth and others are false. You even are projecting judgment onto something that is naturally without a moral judgment, emotions and thoughts, again lifting your own preference up as better than other's preferences. Contrary to the lololols you use as a shield to protect your own ego it's you who take your preferred way very seriously, otherwise you wouldn't have lashed out in such a chastising and condemning manner at others who may not share it, as far as you can perceive it to be. But hey....what do I know? I'm just jerkin around the circle...right?

Something being an illusion and something not existing are not the same thing but are confused as the same thing by many spiritualists. Attempting to understand is one of the most significant stumbling blocks to enlightenment, just accepting what is as it is is a cornerstone to exercising our awareness of being present in the moment.