SOUL

@Ether Are you going to derail this thread? Let it go.....hehe.

Although, it seems my laughing changes things....haha

Well, splitting atoms releases energy.

You still won't let it go.... you let your ego rule you.

What do you mean by this? Can you unpack that idea and explain it some more?

I surely did contemplate it and through an authentic clarity I found the genuine healing, fulfillment and peace of being in my life. If your belief system works for you then find peace in that but don't become another who projects their personal perspective onto everyone else and the universe as some 'absolute truth'. There's enough of that 'truthing' going on in this world as it is. So be it.

Wait... I 'heard' we have no free will, then we have no freedom from the 'herd'. Baha I guess that means the only difference is we are just blissful meat robots after 'enlightenment' compared to miserable ones before... right? BAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

I had a very close friend during HS, basically a best friend scenario even though we didn't go to the same HS and I had other friends in my own school but we hung out alot so shared much of those formative years experience together. Eventually I left the place I grew up and traveled around quite a bit, many different places, people, ideas, just so many divergent perspectives which also coincided with self exploration and examination. My own perspective radically changed and I gained a sense of well being and peace in life even though my life circumstances, though alluring in many respects, wasn't especially impressive by conventional standards. My friend went a more conventional route though a little delayed and when we started communicating more regularly again it was almost 10 years later I noticed a huge difference in our dispositions and perspectives in life. I often reflected on it as we started in the same exact spot but walked in opposite directions as it seemed as much peace and well being I had he had the very opposite. I tried to 'share' my experience of it by just 'being' it but eventually I realized we were too different and they were unconsciously attempting to 'share' their experience of distress and misery with me. I didn't tell them what to do or think, there was no 'teaching' or criticism, I just was 'being' it but they also were 'being' something, too. It felt like one battery fully charged connecting to a dead one results in two half charged batteries, not two fully charged ones. Even though I can charge up my experience while they drained their own and then when we connect again it was the same half assed dynamic as before. Our interactions constantly were a draining experience for me. The people we spend time with we 'share' in experience so how much of who's perspective gets 'shared' with the other is something to examine about the relationship to decide how much time to spend. Yeah, yeah, we are one, sure on some level it is that but use care and be aware of what is being 'exchanged' and 'shared' with those we are spending time with. If you spending time with them leads them to find their own peace and well being then it is a mutually healing friendship but if it leads to you being in distress and miserable then you may examine it's results and usefulness differently. There is no one size fits all advice on what to do. Only you know if they are finding their own 'charge' or just draining yours, you may be capable and satisfied with jump starting them occasionally when they are in a particularly 'uncharged' moment but always having to 'charge' your own state to be their power source is a challenging friendship to be in. Just something to consider.

This is one of those moments where I usually post BAHAHA because that is one of the most hilarious things I have read after a 25+ page thread of a spirituality topic with you giving a list of pointers but I felt an explanation was the polite thing to do and not just...... BAHAHA!

So you won't ask me about this "infinite perspective" I have experience in awareness of to see if there were any "pointers" I may have? I know I ask others questions about their perspective to better understand them although I do understand why you may not want to so contributing to the seemingly end of our conversation. Yes, it was nice chatting with you.

There is non-dual perspective but 'truth-false' is a dualism perspective and if one has experience of non-dualism in awareness this can be recognized. I can't really explain this non-dual perspective other than that it's an infinite perspective, one would observe it by having the experience of it in awareness.

I do. Which is why I question. Well, I offered one, transcending the duality perspective of truth-false so the "pointers" given wouldn't be from duality perspective.

I didn't read all you wrote but my eyes gravitated to this phrase and I'm not sure I understand what you mean. So are you suggesting the abuse I suffered as a child and all of the abuse children suffer in this world with the pain that comes with it is "self-inflicted"? I doubt you meant it this way so there must be more to this drug inspired idea you left out or haven't explored yet.

@Nahm Am I expected to comment on threads, especially the contents of a psychedelic trip like this, just because I contribute on this forum? My perspective about it is if something brings well being and peace to someone's life experience then so be it.

@Saumaya Well, according to your own words what you speak isn't if(truth) so what you say is false and even the "post enlightenment observations" are admittedly false, it's all pointing falsely. I'm not saying this about it, you are, then I have to wonder what is the point if it's all false pointing? The perspective I have in awakening differs but it seems many here only accept the "false" pointing that is consistent with "other enlightened masters". So, if this is 'false' pointers given from a perspective of duality maybe transcend it to point from non-duality without the truth-false duality. Of course, I guess it's easy to shrug off my 'post' observations since it's just all false pointing, right?

So you are saying that nothing in our every day life and the physical manifest is "truth"? Then, what is "truth"... and don't say "reality" or "what's real".... say what it is, don't give a vague abstract like "the absolute" or everything is false so what's left is truth. If this "truth" is the only thing that exists and you say everything else is false, that you are so "enlightened" to know it and are 'teaching' people about then I'm asking, what is it? Because right now it seems like your explanation of "truth" is changing...

Ok... so the physical manifest of every day life is "truth" because it doesn't go away when it's not believed in. Our senses are "truth" because they don't go away when not believed in, change is "truth" because it doesn't go away when not believed in.

I like it...haha

So is there anything in every day life, in the physical manifest, that you consider true? It seems like you are calling it all false, clarify it if this isn't accurate.

Hehehe

BAHAHA!

@Viking I don't understand why someone would have an issue with imagination. Whether it's conceptualizing divinity or unity or even conceptualizing the 'unconceptualizable' I prefer to not let it become an obstacle to my peace so I don't 'imagine' that it is an obstacle. We all 'accept as truth/exists' something even if it's nothing and this is all that belief is, an acceptance, so again I prefer not to 'believe' that 'belief' is an obstacle to me being at peace.

"Merging" implies an actual separation, whereas "realizing" unity suggests recognizing something that is.

You seem to be conflating here, 'done seeking' is his measure, not mine. Although, someone mentioned something about passive aggression that might see this comment in the same way... what do you think? I have been trying for quite awhile to leave this where it belongs, in the past, but it has repeatedly been revived and I hope now it's finally let go of...time will tell. Nothing000's questions showed a significant degree of clarity and insight but the replies were especially revealing, well, nothing I haven't seen already but revealing just the same. I'm glad you were entertained, at least it has some value! Haha! No offense taken...

Well, nearly every conversation we have you are referencing past conversations and repeatedly focusing on words or phrases I used in our conversations. You even weave them into pretend conversations you create with a mocking tone and have repeatedly posted into threads. So how else am I supposed to interpret that? Even though I have asked you to just let it go time again you don't want to leave it be, you keep revisiting it with accusatory language as if I wronged you somehow. This is why I suspect it offended you, if it didn't then just let it go already. Let's move on from the past and create a fresh dynamic in the present! Can you do this with me? Ok, I can recognize that you see them as your "observations" but it doesn't make it truth or fact, just an observation in your perception. Just like you say you aren't offended and I will accept your word on it please consider that what you think you observe may not be as you think it is about me. You once asked me to tell you something about me and I replied with it. If you ask specific questions I may explain but don't have any expectation that I will, I share as I see fit. I understand that, we all gain through our experience, that's how life works but I'm not seeing that consensus, we all have different experiences and we have differing perspectives from that. How could we possibly have any consensus in an infinite absolute? All we can hope for is to peaceably coexist. The problem I have been dealing with is people making assumptions about something being "wrong" with me based on their own observations and attempting to give me grief about it. All I'm doing is what I can to find a way to let the past go and peaceably coexist. I just said laugh if you find something funny and we can laugh together, I didn't say laugh based on what I think is funny. You actually aren't as a mind reader if that's what you thought I said instead of what I really said. Although, please I simply say to you just let it go...let's be present. Peaceably coexist in the present moment.