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@egoless Who is proposing saying no to groupthink? There is nobody there because you doesn't exist but you are god and everything so have no free will though must choose to wake up in this illusion that you are dead and dreaming in..........baha. Many people really do want to be spoon fed conceptual ideas and eagerly stumble over each other in an attempt to show how they can regurgitate them more articulately than others. 'Teachers' thrive on churning out the same dogmatic stuff that has been circulating for eons and have 'seekers' lap up their ramblings as 'enlightened wisdom'.

It's not awareness that attaches other than attention can be caught up in the identifying that the mind reflexively and naturally does on its own. We can keep our awareness free from entangling with things that preoccupy the mind by abiding in awareness as an observer. Eventually the mind will begin to reflect that freely observing awareness as it's identity which can increase the subconscious aware state of being we 'rest' at. The 'who' is our subconscious mind that innately clings to create it's identity and by consciously 'letting go' we are conditioning the subconscious mind to do that.

Who is it that notices that there is no one to have it wrong or right?..... haha

Have your herd the word? So holistic it's unheralded.... one heard.

It's the same song again...again and again.... Materialists eliminate the possibility and mystics exaggerate the potential.... .....yet both are 'wrong'.

The irony is so thick... haha.

A struggle I have is ignoring people who have self important perceptions of themselves in thinking they can solve other people's issues using their own subjective experience perspective. I eventually pay them some attention and I may even interact with them in some way but they almost always assume their observations and insights are a universally recognized truth, right or good. Yet, my intention of interacting with them is in possibly bringing some awareness to humble agnosticism in perception because the value they assume they are imparting to others is the very value they fail to acknowledge in their own perspective by the process of dispensing 'wisdom' to others.

@electroBeam It is because the material world is 'observed' by 'cosmic consciousness' in a universal macroscopic perspective so has collapsed into the manifest reality we observe from our individual microscopic perspective. Much of the consciousness work we are engaged in is merely altering our subjective experience perceptions of the manifest not actually altering the objective reality properties of the manifest. What most of the participants on this forum are doing is what 'spiritualists' and religious adherents typically do, declare their personal perspective built on the belief paradigm of their experiential perceptions as "truth" that supersedes the manifest reality. If they are really as enlightened and awakened as they proclaim to be there would be an awareness that the physical and spiritual manifest realities coexist with each other not conflict with each other. In order to have an absolute faith in their subjective spiritual personal belief paradigms that allows them to transcend the conditioning of the mind they think they need to disbelieve the objective physical manifest reality. This is based on the accurate premise that to transcend the emotional mind-body we do disbelieve the conditioning the self reflexively creates and believe a different paradigm oriented in an awakened and 'free' state. Although, the fictional 'spiritual story' belief paradigm that has been built upon an actual mechanism of consciousness liberation has turned into a culty corruption filled with dogmatic ideology posturing as the 'absolute truth'.

Sshhh, don't point out the contradictions, it disturbs the meat robots!

@Ether Are you going to derail this thread? Let it go.....hehe.

Although, it seems my laughing changes things....haha

Well, splitting atoms releases energy.

You still won't let it go.... you let your ego rule you.

What do you mean by this? Can you unpack that idea and explain it some more?

I surely did contemplate it and through an authentic clarity I found the genuine healing, fulfillment and peace of being in my life. If your belief system works for you then find peace in that but don't become another who projects their personal perspective onto everyone else and the universe as some 'absolute truth'. There's enough of that 'truthing' going on in this world as it is. So be it.

Wait... I 'heard' we have no free will, then we have no freedom from the 'herd'. Baha I guess that means the only difference is we are just blissful meat robots after 'enlightenment' compared to miserable ones before... right? BAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

I had a very close friend during HS, basically a best friend scenario even though we didn't go to the same HS and I had other friends in my own school but we hung out alot so shared much of those formative years experience together. Eventually I left the place I grew up and traveled around quite a bit, many different places, people, ideas, just so many divergent perspectives which also coincided with self exploration and examination. My own perspective radically changed and I gained a sense of well being and peace in life even though my life circumstances, though alluring in many respects, wasn't especially impressive by conventional standards. My friend went a more conventional route though a little delayed and when we started communicating more regularly again it was almost 10 years later I noticed a huge difference in our dispositions and perspectives in life. I often reflected on it as we started in the same exact spot but walked in opposite directions as it seemed as much peace and well being I had he had the very opposite. I tried to 'share' my experience of it by just 'being' it but eventually I realized we were too different and they were unconsciously attempting to 'share' their experience of distress and misery with me. I didn't tell them what to do or think, there was no 'teaching' or criticism, I just was 'being' it but they also were 'being' something, too. It felt like one battery fully charged connecting to a dead one results in two half charged batteries, not two fully charged ones. Even though I can charge up my experience while they drained their own and then when we connect again it was the same half assed dynamic as before. Our interactions constantly were a draining experience for me. The people we spend time with we 'share' in experience so how much of who's perspective gets 'shared' with the other is something to examine about the relationship to decide how much time to spend. Yeah, yeah, we are one, sure on some level it is that but use care and be aware of what is being 'exchanged' and 'shared' with those we are spending time with. If you spending time with them leads them to find their own peace and well being then it is a mutually healing friendship but if it leads to you being in distress and miserable then you may examine it's results and usefulness differently. There is no one size fits all advice on what to do. Only you know if they are finding their own 'charge' or just draining yours, you may be capable and satisfied with jump starting them occasionally when they are in a particularly 'uncharged' moment but always having to 'charge' your own state to be their power source is a challenging friendship to be in. Just something to consider.

This is one of those moments where I usually post BAHAHA because that is one of the most hilarious things I have read after a 25+ page thread of a spirituality topic with you giving a list of pointers but I felt an explanation was the polite thing to do and not just...... BAHAHA!

So you won't ask me about this "infinite perspective" I have experience in awareness of to see if there were any "pointers" I may have? I know I ask others questions about their perspective to better understand them although I do understand why you may not want to so contributing to the seemingly end of our conversation. Yes, it was nice chatting with you.

There is non-dual perspective but 'truth-false' is a dualism perspective and if one has experience of non-dualism in awareness this can be recognized. I can't really explain this non-dual perspective other than that it's an infinite perspective, one would observe it by having the experience of it in awareness.

I do. Which is why I question. Well, I offered one, transcending the duality perspective of truth-false so the "pointers" given wouldn't be from duality perspective.

I didn't read all you wrote but my eyes gravitated to this phrase and I'm not sure I understand what you mean. So are you suggesting the abuse I suffered as a child and all of the abuse children suffer in this world with the pain that comes with it is "self-inflicted"? I doubt you meant it this way so there must be more to this drug inspired idea you left out or haven't explored yet.

@Nahm Am I expected to comment on threads, especially the contents of a psychedelic trip like this, just because I contribute on this forum? My perspective about it is if something brings well being and peace to someone's life experience then so be it.

@Saumaya Well, according to your own words what you speak isn't if(truth) so what you say is false and even the "post enlightenment observations" are admittedly false, it's all pointing falsely. I'm not saying this about it, you are, then I have to wonder what is the point if it's all false pointing? The perspective I have in awakening differs but it seems many here only accept the "false" pointing that is consistent with "other enlightened masters". So, if this is 'false' pointers given from a perspective of duality maybe transcend it to point from non-duality without the truth-false duality. Of course, I guess it's easy to shrug off my 'post' observations since it's just all false pointing, right?

So you are saying that nothing in our every day life and the physical manifest is "truth"? Then, what is "truth"... and don't say "reality" or "what's real".... say what it is, don't give a vague abstract like "the absolute" or everything is false so what's left is truth. If this "truth" is the only thing that exists and you say everything else is false, that you are so "enlightened" to know it and are 'teaching' people about then I'm asking, what is it? Because right now it seems like your explanation of "truth" is changing...