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If this simple realization doesn't reveal the nature of it to you presently then I suggest to contemplate it in meditation. Even a finite mind can be aware of it's own awareness, then consider the infinite.

As @Nahm alluded to, the infinite is a challenge for finite mind to grasp, even with that there is finite way to experience it. Let me ask you, @SoonHei , are you aware of your own awareness? Contemplate that.

Yea, because mental masturbating esoteric conceptualizations for decades is real, right? Haha Just be..... absolute infinity.

So people believe they required more than just being present in the moment for joy, fulfillment and peace. They believe it's not belief that they have. Baha....too funny.

Beliefs.

Years of complex spiritualist concept talk won't accomplish what meditating on being present in the moment does and that is where the joy, fulfillment and peace will be found. Maybe if you stopped talking about it and start being present it might change your experience and perspective.

So you believe you don't have any beliefs.... yep, there's alot of that going around.

Everyone has belief whether they know they do or not or deny they do. @robdl

It sure is, it's all conceptualization when we are discussing like this, even when people claim it isn't or they aren't. Once we open our mouth to speak our experience we have already conceptualized it in our mind. I just prefer to simplify the ideology of mind and the path in life by just being present in the moment. It's just another way of expressing what you said in bold. There is a sense of joy, fulfillment and peace in it....and it's instantaneous.

Sure, whatever you want to believe, have at it. Peace.

Nah, I'm at peace.

This is still more complicated than I prefer to discuss but I will address this as simply as I can Cosmological time gave rise to all the natural processes that brought about our psychology of mind. The future and past exists apart from even the mind's perception of it, or psychological time as you call it. Within our consciousness we have more than one point of perspective we can be aware of. Our self conscious creates one that orients identity, this is the one you are referring to and yes, it does appear to be a single entity by it's very nature. From that which it perceives, this 'perceiver' creates it's basis of identity so is one with that experience. Though, within our consciousness there is another point of perception in awareness that is distinct from the point of perception in self conscious. That this takes place in a whole experience of consciousness it can be a challenge to recognize this distinction but once one is aware of it the clarity in consciousness can untangle identity simply. There is even a primitive point of perception in 'physiology' that the point of perception in self conscious uses primal experience to create it's identity and once one observes from the point of perception in awareness will the distinction between those other two become apparent even though it appears as a single entity in nature without it. I prefer to not get this complicated since just being present in the moment transcends all this conceptualization.

Baha..... ok, we're really done here.

You do realize that there is actual 'time' apart from the perception of it? Meditate on awareness of the edge of time, observing that will clear this all up.

Your time movement attachment is showing........ I don't need any of it, nobody really does, that's the point.

It appears you complicate the conceptualization which can be a common occurrence in spiritualist circles and the very point of this thread. The complication of these things makes for endless hours of 'work' that people think needs to be done. I'm prefer clarity and simple, be present, aware and at peace in just being. Which is why I don't spend much time on forums like this, it's too complicated and people are attached to their complex conceptualizations.

"Time" and our "perception of time" are distinct from each other but both contribute to the manifestation of self in our consciousness.....whether we think it or not. There are other animals with a naturally occurring self identity but there is no conclusive evidence that they have 'thought' like we do.

@tsuki Hello! Good to see you again.

Any distinction is made by awareness of them, ego wants to collectivize it into self identity. Though, by being aware of the distinction in them we can be clear of entanglements to it.

When you start talking about movement I don't know what you mean. I've asked you to explain it before and your explanation was even less revealing so I'm not going to be able to reply with anything useful. My apologies.

Such is the nature of expression, so be it.

Time doesn't require our perception of it to be perpetuated, but our perception of time, as linear instances of happenings is what creates our experience of the 'self' in consciousness.

That is why a mentioned the differing uses of words, let's not get stuck on words, let's instead be aware of the message. There is an accumulation of experience, there is also a persona of self conscious and there is the awareness of them. These are distinct yet are whole and all of this creates our consciousness regardless of whatever words one prefers to use for it.

Yes, it's good to see you as well. I'm not sure what you are apologizing for but there isn't anything or any need to. I was not offended or hurt by any of our discussions, I enjoyed them. Peace.

The 'seeker' is our personification of the awareness, the observer, which resides in consciousness. The accumulation of experience is what's observed, the self, which continues to be observed by awareness in the present moment. So the I, seeker, observer, awareness can be kept purified, so to speak, through our attention on the now, by being present in the moment. Allowing the 'observable' of accumulated experience to continue flowing without clinging to it. I know that people use words differently for different reasons and may not use them as I do but I'm just trying to illuminate the distinction between the observer and the observed in our consciousness, the seeker from the sought.