SOUL

....and all of it is made aware through the manifest experience of being, we don't have the benefit of being aware of it in the eternal absolute of unmanifest non-experience. That bell cannot be unrung.

Who is asking how is wisdom transferred from who to who? WHO!

Again I say, that depriving senses after having senses then returning to senses is not the same thing as never having senses.... ever. Even if you did "travel" to a "prior" you say none of those existed as you suggest you did it still isn't the same as those never having existed ... so, did you really experience the non-experience of unsensory existence? Maybe so....or it could also be a state that is so deprived of the previous sensory input it only appears to be it but regardless it isn't the same thing as the eternal absolute of non-experience unsensory existence. Oh.... no need to 'travel' or use a tank.... it's ever present, just awaken to it.

Did I say "self produced"? Nope. You just showed how wisdom can't be transferred because the information I wrote wasn't cultivated into it. Contemplate that. Oh... and I didn't read any "books" on this let alone many.

Sensory deprivation isn't the same thing as not ever had sensory input. Removing something completely that is typically always present then returning to the typical sensory state provides a different experience than never having it... ever.

We don't have to imagine it, it exists in reality without the use of ideas. How does an animal gain their 'wisdom'? By using all of those.... well, maybe not contemplation, but maybe they do.

Wisdom isn't transferred, wisdom is something that is cultivated from experience, information, experimentation, observation and for us as aware self conscious beings, contemplation.

If your reality is the only one that exists then you should ask yourself...... why are you asking yourself this?

Emotions are a primitive way the self survival instinct motivates behavior, chemical reactions are the primordial way, and thoughts are the most recent evolutionary step in motivating behavior for self survival. Emotions aren't wrong or right, they just are, but as a self aware being we don't have to unconsciously be influenced by them, we are aware of them and have the ability to transcend them. So when the thread starter says they didn't follow the emotional impetus to behave in a way that reflected the 'bad' feeling and instead use their thoughts to transcend that feeling and transform it to a positive one they are simply using the thought-mind to alter their emotional state and thus their behavior. Emotions can influence thoughts and thoughts can influence emotions and both can influence behavior. Although behavior can influence both thoughts and emotions as well such as meditating or exercising can alter our thoughts and emotions. These are all connected within our experience of self conscious and we additionally have the awareness of self conscious that allows us to 'freely' intend an experience of this self conscious that isn't influenced by the impulses, urges and thoughts that conditionally arise. Awakening to the agency of this 'free will' of attention and intention of our self conscious is the opening up to what is commonly called 'enlightenment'. Staying present in that awakened agency so that it transcends the self conscious impulses, urges and thoughts is the source of liberation from suffering. It doesn't necessarily end all of the self conscious activity, it just ceases the influence of it to cause self suffering. When staying present in this awakened agency it allows us to orient our thoughts, emotions and behavior in a way that serves self survival from peace and fulfillment instead of suffering and yearning. Some may experience an immediate cessation of much of their self conscious conditioning but most will see it slowly be transformed as they 'be present' more consistently so alter the conditioning to reflect this liberation.

Who woke? Who is asking who? Who? WHO!

I appreciate your passion and your peace. I may not be the audience for this but please continue to find your genuine expression.

It seems you need to activate your sage mode, Austin. If there is infinite suffering, that means there is infinite liberation.

Endarkenment.......

Who is enlightened? Who is asking who anything? Who? Who! WHO!

When my mind says I don't give a crap about self inquiry should I ask who doesn't give a crap about self inquiry? Who is wanting to do self inquiry? Who thinks self inquiry can do anything anyway? Who? Who? Who! WHO!

You may have the self awareness to realize that 'I am not my thoughts' but when you talk about the unconscious bias being a disease most people less self aware of this will take what you say as you calling them it. Although I'm tired of going around and around on this, go ahead and cling to your metaphor but you are contributing to the perpetuation of it even if you don't intend to when you use it.

Not political, just moderate in general in relation to those who have extreme bias and behavior with regard to this particular topic.

You can idealize the awakening process as much as you like consider your own efforts as such as much as you want but eliminating the discrimination behavior and the suffering that comes from it is the goal. Extremists are the few who purposefully and consciously behave from that bias aren't the ones who will be swayed by any reasoning, it's the moderates who are the majority that mostly have unconscious bias we are hoping to awaken them to. By using language that characterizes them as a disease which virtually all have had someone they love taken from them by it doesn't serve the goal and can push them away from the middle towards the extreme. If the past decade isn't proof of that I don't know what more can show you that. Healing people with embracing language in awakening them seems more likely to have the desired effect of motivating them to change it because the era of vitriolic social media mobs attacking at every perceived violation has only created more extremists. You may be a moderate person reaching out to other moderates but if you adopt the language of the extremists it can lead to more extremists in reaction. Moderates are the majority and if we want to shift the collective bias away from what contributes to discrimination and suffering we do it by awakening the moderates that may be unconsciously participating in it to that and allow that to motivate them to change it. This will create the dynamic of shifting the whole window of collective experience to a more inclusive and equal personal experience.

Of course it's difficult to do, otherwise it would have been done already but how does comparing someone to a disease make it any easier? It doesn't, although, it does make the moralizer feel better about themselves through the negative comparison, that's why they do it. That's the definition of 'self-righteous' and it isn't too effective in awakening people to their unconscious bias. If the goal is to awaken people to it and motivate them to change it then results should matter more than a self appeasing method.

From my understanding a cell that has mutated to switch off the natural apoptosis process and reproductive regulation will cause that mutated cell to rapidly turn into tumor of many cells like that mutated cell. Yes, as you suggest the body will spur angiogenesis to feed the rapidly growing area of cells unbeknownst that it is feeding a monster..... sort of like youtube videos and the alt-right... hah. There has been some research that shows that some cannabinoid(s) by still some unknown mechanism switches back on the apoptosis process of those cells so the tumor will begin killing itself. As well as the cannabinoids by some still unknown mechanism spur angionecrosis to starve it. The research is still early to know for sure but it seems the endocannabinoid system may have function of being a 'switchboard' where it passes information or blocks information between systems and within cells. I had an old laptop with dozens of bookmarks to the different studies/research and such about them that is gone now. I haven't taken the time to locate all of them all again, I should do that some day,

The only way to raise awareness about it is to perpetuate it? It's the very same type of moralizing bias and behavior that JP is using when he creates the impression he's on the good, right and true side and anyone else who doesn't agree with him is bad, wrong and lying. Raising awareness with healthy discussion that doesn't immediately make others feel persecuted for something that they may not even be aware of since it is quite often unseen to them as you point out will gain more acceptance to accomplish the goal than using accusatory language. You are good with words, use them in ways to liberate people from the bias-behavior, not trigger them into a defensive posture.

Well, you know that you are perpetuating a bias-behavior that creates discrimination and suffering by willingly participating with using some metaphor because you think it is more important to use it than eliminating that bias-behavior cycle then you are part of the metaphor you use. Your own bias-behavior is contributing to it, not altering or eliminating it.

You're missing the point. It's all bias and behavior although when one characterizes one kind as a disease it doesn't resolve the situation, it just perpetuates the negative bias and behavior pattern. Yes, we are trying to recognize and alter the bias and behavior that creates discrimination and suffering to cease it but your choice of metaphor perpetuates a negative perspective no matter how apt or accurate you think it is.

I have no idea what any of that means. I prefer to keep my mind clear of any stuff like that. No complicated bullshit, just simply awareness and presence of being. If you don't want to be played with anymore then stop playing along with it. Burn all that stuff down and let the ashes blow away. When you are hungry, eat. When you are tired, sleep. When you are cold or hot use shelter or clothes. When you are bored, let life entertain. When the mind goes off on that other stuff, just shrug it off, don't believe it, don't agree with it, don't endorse it, don't identify with it, just set it on fire and let the ashes blow away. The manifest existence is fire of change.

If that's what you believe then so be it.... for you.