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This. @ivankiss Although, don't allow the conceptual nothingness and somethingness to become just another dualism in the mind that causes separation. It's unity.

You may want to contemplate the distinction between radical acceptance and extreme endorsement. We can accept the divergence of expression in experience and explore it fully without having to identify with the expression in experience by endorsing it to an extreme....or at all Although, your point is going to completely lost on the 'nothingness' gurus because of the dogmatic adherence to what they believe is 'truth' according to their dualism mindset. Don't let them steal your joy! If you are experiencing genuine liberation in awareness of just being present it will be obvious......right now it appears not quite realized.

That's amazing! You're almost at peace with just being... other than the 'at peace' part of it since there seems to still be some unrest going on in you about just being. It's kind of paradoxical but getting to where we are simply at peace with just being is the 'non-activity' that empowers liberation. The yearning for something to attain or to do something has almost been quenched so a genuine peace in awareness of just being present will blossom in liberation. That you are still a little bit restless in it isn't an indication that there is something amiss, it's just the body's natural inclination to desire something. Once you experience that genuine peace in just being that is when actual fulfillment from just being present will quench the accomplishment based satiation from desire as counter intuitive as it sounds. The liberation from the existential yearning creates a sense of peace and fulfillment that surpasses any of the achievement or situational ones because it exists regardless of any conditions or circumstances. We are at peace with just being so fulfillment is being present and anything we add to it is just that, adding to already existing fulfillment and peace but not the indulgence in feeding the craving for self serving which will continue to be a cycle of desire for something. Some may say then you won't want to do anything or will lose all motivation of purpose and meaning but contrary to this assumption everything we experience in liberation is fulfilled. Every experience is even more 'rewarding' because it is experienced through the lens of absolute peace and fulfillment of being present not based on meeting expectations or successes in achievement which may not be met or fail to happen so be left unfulfilled. Then anything that is done is a genuine expression of joy in doing it not a self identity creating and sustaining justification activity. Through this liberating peace in being those disingenuous activities will lose the allure and the things that are a real expression of our joy will illuminate in our experience of them. So you are on the cusp of this liberation from yearning to be at peace with just being present.....just a little bit of unrest to clear out. Kudos.

@ivankiss Well, I had my first awakening very young but I was quite troubled from abuse so it took many years for me to be free from the misery inducing conditioning. In HS I was inspired by artists like Dali and Escher, my mind's ideas were always better than my skill as an artist though. My mind is ageless but the brain that holds it has a few miles on it.....haha.

You forgot that someone will post Leo's 2hr video about X and X.... yes or no? Haha....

Since there is unity I am also the noisy, moving, temporary, never-present, finite fill in the blank. Haha

Yes, kind sir, an amazingly joyful one to you as well.

Which post and which part? Some of it even confused me! BAHA

i'm easily entertained.

This thread is like wow... so funny. I had no clue what that woman in the woods with her dog was saying but I want her to feed me blueberries, too! Baha Tapping with Brad ...haha

Is it a choice to make about choosing what makes one happy? Why choose to be the chooser of the choosing of what makes us happy? Just be happy with being happy regardless of whatever circumstances one finds themselves in. Then when we are choosing it's not choosing what makes one happy, we are choosing things that have no influence over whether we are happy because we are it just to be it. We have already made the choice to be happy with just being it, not about choosing the circumstances which makes us happy apart from the circumstance of just being it. Of course, 'happy' is really just a mood which isn't really a reflection of genuine joy and the liberation that inspires it but that is another discussion altogether. You only asked about 'happy'....so happy.

When I was in HS I made a drawing that had the words 'now' and 'here' separately on two different walls and then there was a reflection of both in a pool of water that lined them up to show it saying 'nowhere' as someone was leaning in to drink that water...... yes, my 15-16 year old mind was blown by this and it still reverberates till this moment. Be now here Be nowhere I wonder whatever happened to that drawing....hehe.

I had to contemplate this along with having some other commitments which provided me some time to explore it. Yes, it is an experience in whole that is initially an expression from that whole in what appears as parts to the mind because of it's separating habituation. Although, we can recognize and realize that this is an illusion, it's not as it appears, and to this illusory perception of the mind we are merging two into a whole but it always is an expression of the whole anyway. It could be said that the absolute is the unchanging and the relative is the changing. It could be said that the manifest is the objective and the unmanifest is the relative. It could be also said our experience of the absolute in spiritually is relative in nature and the experience of the relative of the world is objective in nature. I even got confused a few times trying to write all that.... so I'm not too sure it's that clear. It's a whole experience that has quite a few ways of being expressed in experience and our perception of it isn't universally consistent in just one way. I guess this was a very complicated way of replying to your question with 'I don't really know if it is'. Haha

That is a very genuine expression of contentment and peace which very few experience, a radical acceptance of what is. Kudos.

I guess I should have clarified that with the Manifest it is comprised of both subjective and objective. It also is that we have perception of the subjective and objective simultaneously as a whole experience. That is the vexing question of how do we know if we have accurate perception because that perception is also comprised of both the subjective and objective as a whole. This is why I don't rely on accurate perception for liberation and my peace.

To the degree that it can be accurately perceived and successfully communicated.

It absolutely is determined, this is what the Manifest universe is, with the quantum craziness aside. Yet there are no assurances that we perceive the objective isness accurately but may only be the subjective experience we perceive. The unmanifest isness is still undetermined and the potential is infinite so that is all that may be described of it. The mind trusts its own perception but do we in awareness trust the mind's trust of it's perception. I prefer to find peace and contentment in just being even if it is a delusion of the Mind I perceive.

It absolutely is that dance between the subjective perception and objective isness. It seems this is what the original topic was touching on. Quite often this dance of delusion in trying to 'find the truth' is a fixation which serves as a source of self suffering more than it is a cessation of it. In a recent conversation somebody said to me they had no problem with suffering to find the truth because truth was their ultimate goal. Although all we are finding is our personal subjective truth with no assurances that it is universal objective truth despite the proclamations that it is.

The 'man behind the curtain'.....the man, the curtain and the 'behind' are all a delusion. Haha

Which do you seek? To 'know if mind is deluded' or to 'experience the cessation of self suffering'? I experience the cessation of self suffering and if that liberation is merely a delusion then so be it..... let's dance!

Well, the ego is the personification of our self's desire to identify with itself so even though it's not much more than a conceptual construct it is a manifestation of the many impulses, urges, ideas, beliefs, thoughts, desires and mental paradigms.

You are a very active imputer of truth on this forum with all your beliefs about what is impossible or can't or must and on and on that you attempt to project onto everyone else's experience.

...and that is your belief which you believe is all you see but you cannot create this experience for anyone else except your own self. This comes to the core of this thread's topic, can we trust our own mind if is capable of being deluded? Belief is the psychological trust we place into something being what it appears to be. So can we trust the trust of our mind? If in our experience we have the cessation of self suffering then there is no doubt in our liberation even if it is a delusion, it is what it is because it is our experience of it. There is a delicate dance between what we perceive things to be and what really is. So even though we get to draw our own map of meaning, our perception of what is doesn't actually change what really is but just maps out how we perceive it. This is why I create a simple map that doesn't have difficult requirements for the cessation of self suffering so I do experience that liberation. In celebration of life.... So you impute truth to the concept and belief that if one imputes the tiniest bit of truth to conceptuality one will never let go of belief and lean towards belief so you don't let go of this belief and lean towards it. See how that works? Dances with words.... Precisely. Although, it is when we identify with the belief and attach our 'self' to it that there is the potential to self suffer because of it. This is why I suggest in unattached awareness of the self and it's contents including belief allows for liberation from self suffering. My own experience realizes this even if it is merely a delusion...haha I liken the ego to the self's advocate......it wants us to attach and works to attach to the construct and content of self to justify itself. This is us..... Dancing with delusion.

You sure do dance, you dance around with words and your words have no meaning because they are empty and have no truth, you say it yourself and you believe it. Liberation doesn't require dropping beliefs, that is just your belief and is a limitation for you, not anyone else. Liberation is the cessation of self suffering and if you experience liberation this is what you'd be saying to me. Of course you're not saying this and it is revealing because I can see right through your dances with words.