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@James123 Don't project your delusions onto others...that isn't helping anyone, not even yourself.

@James123 It's humorous that you felt compelled to answer rhetorical questions, if you are really what you claim to be this thread 'musting' everyone is also quite revealing.

@UnbornTao mates as well.

Therefore, senseless nonsense. Why are people so obsessed with asking 'where'? Or 'who'? More senseless nonsense? 'Where' is the requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing? 'Who' is it that says anyone 'must' do this? You seem to suggest it would make sense to ask others 'where' is the 'who' that knows what is truth or false? So... 'where' and 'who' can know 'what' is 'truth' or 'false'? This is fun...but still senseless nonsense. 'Where' are 'you' that can let go or be effortless? Online discourse is filled with spiritualism double speak that gets exposed for the senseless nonsense it is with the simplest contemplation. Well, I do enjoy bringing some simple clarity to something that is often clouded with esoteric abstractions. People like to stack up complicated rationale and complex beliefs to create an ideological basis for their psychological machinations. I enjoy stripping those away from my own psyche and will encourage it for others if they wish to. Even as people claim to have no beliefs, no concepts, no self, no nothing nowhere because where is it? Where? Where? Are we there yet? I encourage the letting go of letting go, ceasing the releasing...don't lease it to begin with then no need to release it. I don't say you must not must, you can trust your must if you see fit but project your must on others? Must you? It seems like you enjoy talking, too.

Then there are two more beliefs you have to stop doing to be effortless according to your belief system...it's much simpler to not have self created and imposed conditions for someone to 'do' for awakening and enlightenment. This is efforting in an attempt to be effortless and is like having a process to not have a process. There is no requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing, this is self created and imposed conditions. The continuous loop of hoop jumping the conditional mind creates is the hamster wheel of methods and practices designed to empower the self. It's feeding the identity obsessed ego to believe it has the 'truth' and another is 'false'. Sometimes the mind chatters, so what. Sometimes emotions arise, it happens. Sometimes the body itches, then scratch. The body does what it does yet we can have awareness that transcends this, not a belief they prevent awakening, or it does.

Metamind transcends dirty and clean dualism but the relative mind thinks you need to wash yo ass

So that's a 'yes'...you believe that you 'must let go' which is two separate actions, in both believing and letting go, to be effortless....gotcha. I don't have a belief that one 'must let go' so I'm even closer to effortless than you, I suppose.

@Salvijus So AI regurgitates your preference for being pedantic about something that ultimately is nonexistent when the point of it is to transcend perceived duality, not continue to create it and reinforce the perception of it. This just illustrates clearly how artificial intelligence is incapable of discerning the distinction between process and presence of mysticism. It, like the humans who naval gaze on their rules and regulations, has no context for what is presence in awareness because it doesn't have either presence or awareness, again much like humans who have yet to awaken to it. Data sets and large language models don't have the ability to transcend those things to awaken from them. Awareness in consciousness can and does in those that transcend their relative limitations, so awaken to the absolute infinite. Transcending the duality and awakening to the unity allows us to realize the absolute in our relative experience. So well being is our experience in consciousness regardless of the conditions of life. Or you can continue to argue about the perceived difference between imagined dust particles...you do you bruh.

Meaning is a trait of our psyche that evolved to guide us in survival. Significance is placed on something in experience so that we use it to survive. Since we are a story telling monkey, we apply significance to our stories and find meaning in them to guide us in life. *replied without reading any of the thread so this may have been said already.

It's cloudy today. ...at night.

So is believing one "must" for enlightenment an activity...in addition to the activity that is believed "must" be done, two distinct activities and two distinct beliefs. Hm? What about believing effortlessness is not an activity and it holds some significance or benefit? That's an activity or two, too.

I asked chatgpt and then grok....these are the replies.

I wasn't trying to suggest anything too significant with the use of the word intellectual, other than I thought the way the point was made was clever and succinct in an intelligent way...sometimes too much is read into everything.

Did I say being intellectual is a problem? I thought it was a clever way of saying it. Also the point of the thread isn't a problem....it's not actually a problem, it's a preference and you elucidated it quite intellectually.

You can't make me do it....it seems nobody can.

That's the most intellectual way of saying that....but also quite accurate.

Apparently, I don't have the free will to do that.

Maybe the thread should be about the difference between NPCs It might be more interesting discussing the distinction between non-playable character and non-person consciousness.

So you had no choice in saying that..um, ok.

Meditate on it.

First, I'd like to point out how I'm replying post 7777 of yours... Now, to the point of your message in that post. I guess according to you I am only allowed to talk about the differences of something that doesn't actually have differences in nonduality or as I called it, metanonduality. Ok, maybe in typical nonduality there are classical and radical differences, which is why I chose to illuminate in metanonduality there are no differences and the confusion is from a perception in dualism. Which is the point of nonduality, right? To not get trapped in the confusion of relative perceptions from duality? I suppose some people prefer to argue about the relative differences in something that doesn't exist. So go right ahead, my post shouldn't stop you from doing that...

Metanonduality.

I guess 'seeing through the me' can really be explained as transcending the observer-oberved dualism as the final boss of the game to get to the metanonduality level some call 'god realization'. Although, to proclaim 'I am god' is the meification from a subjective perspective of something that in its actual metanondual form has transcended that subjective-objective or observer-observed state. One abiding in it wouldn't be inspired to say that because it doesn't exist in it.